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by Held on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
how many dogs that have shutzhund titles are sold to police departments? i acn tell you that lot of the dogs namely malinos that do knpv,or mondio ring are sold to police.now you geniuses try to figure out why that is.like i said before shutzhund is nothing more than a sport and does not prepare a dog for any real work in the real world.i have nothing against shutzhund as long as people who are doing it don't make it sound like it is what defines a working german shepherd.in fact shutzhund is what rueining the breed because all kind of dogs are being bread because they have shutzhund titles.and as any one with half a brain would know that majority of these dogs are do shit work because they had shity handlers and shity trainers and hard to tell at this point if the dog is geneticaly good or not. shutzhund was never a good test and is not a good test and will never be.ask those police departments who have top handlers and top dogs how they test their dogs.you be surprised.i can go on and on but why. have a nice one.
by 4pack on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
Christopher did you miss this part?
by wuzzup on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
by Christopher Smith on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
i acn tell you that lot of the dogs namely malinos that do knpv,or mondio ring are sold to police.now you geniuses try to figure out why that is.
1. Malinois make up the majority of police dogs and most Malinois are trained in the ring and KNPV programs.
2. The KNPV system was created to produce police dogs. The schutzhund program was not.
3. KNPV handlers raise and train their dogs for resale. Most dogs in schutzhund are companion animals.
4. A Malinois trained for schutzhund cost more than ring and KNPV dogs.
Maybe you could answer some questions for me? Why is it that an IPO3 Malinois cost more than a comparable ring or KNPV dog? Who, in the US, has a titled Mondio dog that is working as a police dog?
by Christopher Smith on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
"The scenarios will be placed on the PSA discussion board to be voted upon by the membership. The scenario with the most votes will become the new PSA suprise in the Level 1 replacing the scenario with the rear transport."
Christopher did you miss this part?
Sorry I was not clear. I’m talking about voting for club officers.
by Christopher Smith on 02 February 2009 - 16:02
.A lot of that time was devoted to schz tracking.I hate laying tracks .I'm a pretty good trainer and know the drill well.I never intended to title my dog it was just something I did because I wanted to learn
But that doesn’t mean you learned it. Until you have a passing score in a score book your claim will always be dubious. I sure as hell would not go to a doctor that did not have a diploma. Would you?
by Christopher Smith on 02 February 2009 - 17:02
. I do not care for the fake animation walks in the fine sport of schz
There is no rule that says you have to have a certain walk.
by BigPhil on 02 February 2009 - 17:02
As far as hunt drive is concerned, I'm still not sure what the blind search in SchH is supposed to test.
The dog does a quarter-mile obedience session at full-out run, then goes to work and judged on barking, biting, etc.
The hot-box search sounds really cool. I can see it with something like duck-hunting blinds.
by steve1 on 02 February 2009 - 17:02
Where did i mention tracking to you, i did not, you said why finish at Schh why not go on further
SchH is three Phases not just Tracking
I am replying to the first post and in that post it was mentioned that this person could get a dog from a pound and train to SchH standards, or was saying anyone could do the same
Then you yourself said why stop at SchH, why not go further, as if it was so easy, that is why i replied to you
Yes, some Dogs who are SchH3 barely make that grade
I have see many Dogs in trials only this last year about 14 or more trials where some dogs hardly get a score of 75 or so
Then there are SchH 3 Dogs who compete and hardly fail to get scores of 93 Plus every time they compete in every phase they do
That is the difference in the quality of the Dogs and there handlers
And i have no where said that you are an idiot, your words not mine
But for sure you are taking me to be one
One last thing
It is not all about the dog and how good it is and that applies to anything to do with Dogs, SchH, Police work etc
If the handler is not up to it then the Dogs performance will follow suit, no matter how much potential the dog may have had, and that applies to all livestock
Steve
I added this bit on
Wuzzup
I too train at two clubs three times a week. In the winter Twice evenings and Sunday mornings, freezing cold but we still train with flood lights
Plus i train the Dogs every day at home meaning they go for a walk and obedinance training is done in a car park every day without fail, for without obedinance the dog cannot go no where, that is my opinion only, and every day the dog goes through the normal SChH routine of obedinance
If a Dog just moves a muscle at the Down or Sit the exercise is done again,
We have been taught never to finish off with a obedinance fault like moving at the sit or down it must finish the correct way faultless
and that applies to every phase
Then it is playtime, and sometimes in between the Obed routine the ball is dropped if the dogs attention is not 100% this brings the dog back up to the job in hand
Steve
by wuzzup on 02 February 2009 - 17:02
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