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DAMIS

by DAMIS on 10 February 2009 - 07:02

when u get the 2ond dog the first one will gain confidence.  2 dogs are mor likely to bite than one. plus is th pack efect like the woolf.

by Foxtrot6 on 10 February 2009 - 11:02

had to go to sleep moon. im inside the baltimore beltway, she has the backyard, about 50' x 65' plus both side yards.

lots of potential 'food' for her walking past.

when im home, she can come inside or go out, if its raining or ground is soggy I keep her in, at night she stays in.

goes to her bed everytime she comes in, till her feet dry.

her chain is long enough so she can get into her house, where she has blankeys and a heating pad when it is freezing out.

tied up time never exceeds about 6:30 am to 5 pm m-f

when i get home she is like a hardrubber ball in a concrete room wether she is tied up or not.
on a short day she may stay in the house or run free.
once i can replace the fence on one side of my yard i dont think she will be needing to be tied up.
she has found every weak point in my perimiter either going over thru or digging under.

the funny thing is when she gets past the fence, she does not know what to do. one night last year i foungd her  trying to dig her way back in.


by Foxtrot6 on 10 February 2009 - 11:02

thats what i was thinking Damis, and more importantly she will have a full time playmate so she wont try to escape.
Everything is a game in her mind, every time I open the back door she has her football ready for me to throw, if I ignore her she will throw it at me, or place it where I have to move it, in front or on top of the lawnmower, or in the bucket of weeds, or on top of what ever I am doing. Once I touch it, it is fair game for her.

guns? you not allowed to use guns these days. i like guns but the gun owner gets in more troube that the bad guys now.
lol i wish it was that easy.


by dutss on 10 February 2009 - 12:02

You may think you want a dog that will bite.....until you have to pay legal fees and hospital bills.

Having a dog that WILL protect your property is a big responsibiiity.....and many have found out that having a dog that wil just bark is the better option.  I know it is a CONSTANT worry for me......kind of wish mine was a chicken dog.

My friend lives on a farm and some utility workers just happened to show up waaaaay back on the farm where no one usually goes.  Two people were bitten.  It didnt break the skin on one and just barely scratched the other guy.  Ten day quartentine for the dog...hospital bills...insurance companys calling for the "injured" party....fear of losing his home owners insurance or price doubling.




by AnjaBlue on 10 February 2009 - 13:02

Moons is right - you need a lot more understanding of German Shepherds. Tied up from 6:30 in the morning until 5:00 at night? Are you serious? Not once in your post do you say anything about taking her for a walk, playing with her(you don't say anything about returning the football she presents to you) taking her to a training class - in other words having some fun and quality time with her, forging a bond. GSD's need a LOT of attention - from a PERSON or persons. She bounces around when you get home because she has no outlet for all the energy that has built up during the day - before you go to work you need a to take her for a LONG walk or run (and I don't mean just around the block.) It's nice that you have blankeys and a heated pad for her but what she needs is YOU - or a doggy day care or something where she is receiving both mental and physical stimulation. Perhaps then she might feel more inclined to protect you.......

Getting another dog can be a two edged sword - yes, it would be a companion for her (do not get another female!) but it won't guarantee she won't get out. My neighbor thought another dog would cure all his ills too - then he found out that BOTH dogs were going over the fence together. Plus he was always moaning about the additional expense of feeding and medical care. (Yes, duh, two cost more than one.)  To be honest I don't think you are giving the dog you have much of a life - please think carefully before committing to a second.




Two Moons

by Two Moons on 10 February 2009 - 17:02

Yeah fox,  I had to sleep too.
Morning.
I have a couple of things in mind.
I'm not going to explain them in detail.
Look into an invisable fence to compliment a standing fence.   A chain can be a tool but its not a cure and has to be used with great care and thats a long story too.
Do not buy another dog.  NO!
Your dog sounds social, don't screw that up, instead build on that more.  You don't want your dog biting an innocent person especially a child.
You can find a stranger to help you with your dog for a few bucks I'm sure. 
First purchase a book called The Koehler Method of Guard Dog Training, by William Koehler.   Read it several times before you ever even think about using it.   Its hard to read, he rambles on and on.  Use your head.   You will need to puchase a few items, dont scrimp.
Don't try to turn your dog into an attack dog just use the book to teach your dog some confidence and suspicion of strangers.  Also continue socializing.  You want to teach your dog to know the difference between a bad guy and the mailman.  The dog already has this ability you just want to refine it.
Love your dog and keep it close to your family.  In my experience any dog will protect its own in the right situaton.
And remember a real fact of life, people will kill a dog if they decide its needed, don't depend solely on the dog for your security.
Your in the USA, yes you can own and use a weapon, just make sure you know the law first, and make sure you know how to keep it safe .   Too many accidents happen with guns because some people aren't smart enough to own one.
Finally, keep asking questions.
Moons.


by Foxtrot6 on 10 February 2009 - 20:02

Anjablue in the 9th post in this thread i did say something about playing with her. Im not a typer so I tend to keep things short, and the blanyes were ment to be blankets. the y is next to the t.
We do play, not as much as she would like, id be out there all day. I toss the football or what ever she has every am before i leave and a couple times when i get home. i do not walk her as much as i should, sometimes we go to the park where she can run as far as i can throw.

the tied up is a temporary situation until i can replace the fence with a 6 foot one. I cant have her get out. the guy across the st said once the cops were going to shoot her once,at least he had his hand on his gun,  she was in my yard near the front pourch he walked over  and put her back in the gate, yet another, a K9 officer stopped once to see her and thought she was an awsome dog. just a lot of screwy people around here.

 


by Foxtrot6 on 10 February 2009 - 20:02

I will look up the book Moon, and no I dont want an attack dog.
thanks

by Sam1427 on 11 February 2009 - 02:02

Wow! I just read this thread when I logged on tonight - I don't log on during the day usually. A lot of truth out there since I replied last night.  Foxtrot, I agree you need to learn more about how German Shepherds act and how to train them.  If I were you, I wouldn't go with personal protection training. As others have said, that's a huge responsiblity and a potential liability, especially since you have an "escape artist" dog. You can't train a Personal Protection dog by yourself; you need a good instructor and a good helper. 

Your dog is spending an awful lot of time by herself, which is probably fueling her anxiety. Try to squeeze out some more time from your schedule to play and exercise her. It will help burn off some of her energy.

William Koehler is an old fashioned, yank and crank trainer whose methods work for some dogs and screw up other dogs, depending on the dog's temperament. A couple of general German Shepherd books I would recommend to anyone are "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend" by the Monks of New Skete and "The German Shepherd Today" by Winifred Gibson Strickland. Both are available from Amazon.  Both books cover training and some problems.  The Monks are good on training and dealing with problems. Strickland's is also a history of the breed and an introduction to the sport of Schutzhund as well as general puppy and dog care and obedience training. She titled many, many dogs in obedience, showring, tracking, and yes, she had some schutzhund dogs too.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out for your and your dog.




by AnjaBlue on 11 February 2009 - 15:02

Foxy, it doesn't matter how you attempt to explain the treatment of your dog the fact remains that this may not be the breed for you....she doesn't get any consistent exercise, training or interaction with people. As I explained earlier, the GSD needs ALL these things, plus a lot of human companionship - the sheepherding dogs used to "create" the GSD worked closely with their human partners,and this trait, for the most part, remains. Most of us work for a living, and yes, they have to spend some time without us, but we find a way to fit our dogs in around our work schedule - it sounds to me as though you look at her need for attention/playtime as an inconvenience: yes, they CAN go on all day, which is why we have to find ways to use up as much energy as we can before leaving them alone, and then repeat at the end of the day. You can't blame your girl for her behavior, and instead of looking at what she is not doing for you I think you need to consider what you are not doing for her. To be honest I'm not sure you can get what you are looking for from a book (you need a good obedience -NOT PPD  -  trainer) but it doesn't hurt  to read as much as you can. The Internet is also a good resource for information - in the end however you are the one who has to understand that a dog, like a child, is a big commitment, and is time consuming. If you don't want to, or can't put forth the effort, then I think you might need to just go get the gun mentioned in an earlier post.





 


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