looking for stud male - Page 3

First of all , find a new vet..Any vet that tells you what yours did, I would be down the street and over the dale and have a new vet all lined up.

What are you waiting for?? You know what you need to do, or you would not have ask...Make the appointment and get it done..find out from some local dog clubs who does good xrays in your town.

Explain to the new vet,,,you want hips done and you want them done properly..If vet balks, find the front door and find the right vet..

If hips are not sent to ofa because your good new vet says they are very dysplastic, get a copy of the hip xrays to take with you...

Then time to find a new puppy to raise and do hips a 1 yr as a prelim and  learn from a good breeder how to feed and start all over again .

No need for anyone to lecture. Either the hips are good or bad..end of story.  Lesson learned..do hips when dog is 24 = 29 ,,months old depending if heat cycle is near a female.

YR

Windwalker18,

Hasn't Von Wildebrands been bred out of the GSD, and no longer requires testing for?

Paula

I haven't been a breeder for 15 years so I guess it's possible Mirasmom... but since there's still a lot of Shepherds out there who haven't been tested I would guess that there's a pocket of gentics out there that still contains it.  While it was never as rampant in Shepherds as in some other breeds it was one I had on my list back then.

I guess looking at the pedigree you are in Ireland or poss the UK, apart from the dogs in your pedigree you need to take into account what they have produced elsewhere re HD when bred to other dogs/bitches. You need to look both at the vertical pedigree and horizontaly.

I havent looked to closely as I dont know some of the Irish dogs but I know for a fact 1 male in your dogs line as produced quite a few high scoring progeny to different bitches.

Please make sure you get xrays done and plates submitted to either the BVA or what ever system they use in Eire, wait for results before contemplating breeding from her.

I have a 15 month old male that has already proven he is a producer.  Just send me $500 cashiers check.  He only has one testicle, but his offspring have over a 50% rate of having two or more testicles.

Come on people!  Every month a mysterious new poster comes on here with the same post and they sit back and laugh at you while you try to rip a new hole in their ass. 

Wildmoor,

Does "high scoring" mean a high rate of dysplasia, or liklihood of such?  Is the high score the same as the SV's ZW rting?

Thanks!

Hi Mystere

Under the BVA system 9 individual areas are given a score for each hip, with a score range of 0-6 except the Caudal Acetabular edge which is scored 0-5, so each hip is scored upto 53 total for both hips being 106 for a totaly dyplastic dog. Not all areas relate to HD some relate to secondary changes DJD.

It is not the same as the breeding value under the SV, but until the multiple genes are identified that cause both conditions and can be tested for then we can only go with the phenotype for hips. We currently do not have a breed worth value in relation to hips or elbows in the UK.  But from all the data I have on hips and various studies completed across Europe it is known that consistantly breeding low hip scores to low will reduce the incidence in a bloodline of dogs. Although you can get a high scoring dog/bitch from two low scoring animals due to the recessive nature of some of the genes involved, this happens infrequently. What I have noticed is that a dog/bitch with an extremely uneven hip will go on to produce high scores in future generations.

The problem in the UK that any one can breed and register any dog reguardless of whether they have been scored or not and reguardless of score. Some breeders believe it is ok to breed a bitch/dog who have extremely high scores or ancestors sibblings etc with high scores then wonder why they continue produce them, this happens regular with the English type bloodlines in particular with those that breed for length of coat or colour.

The British KC have a long way to go to catch up with the rest of the World, at least they have now decided to ban registrations of Father to Daughter / Brother to Sister / Mother to Son matings as of from March 2009.  Again this still goes on with those that breed specificaly for the pet market from certain lines, I might add not the decent UK breeders on here that contribute to the health and welfare of our breed in the UK.

"In a further move, the Kennel Club has announced that it will crack down on the small number of breeders who continue to use the practice of mating close relatives by refusing to register those puppies that are born from any mother/son, father/daughter or brother/sister mating, taking place on or after 1st March 2009. Departures from this principle will only be made in exceptional circumstances or for scientifically proven welfare reasons." statement from the KC

Wildmoor,

Thank you for the explanation.   It was very enlightening.  It is good to see that your national kennel club is taking action on the close-breedings.  Now, if only the AKC would follow suit...