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by snajper69 on 17 November 2008 - 15:11
"Working lines are beauty+working capability=complete package"
I would be careful when making statement like that, there is a lot of bad eggs within WL as well. There is too big stretch within the standards and everything more often starts falling in the middle, as much as I hate to agree with some SL people there are few quite good points they making. I don't agree 100% with them but the truth is always somewhere in the middle, and I am not knowledgeable enough to start redefining the standard. The only thing I can do is state my opinion. That’s all.

by snajper69 on 17 November 2008 - 15:11
Plus ARnold SH example is bad :) He is not a total athleet in my opinion :)

by ATARTHS on 17 November 2008 - 16:11

by missbeeb on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
Atarths... LOL, you're going to get some poop for that!

by aristianM on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
I am not against showlines. If i was, i wouldnt own one. Im am only against the showlines that have deviated from the breed standard. No where in the breed standard does it say that over angulated rears and roach backs are acceptable. I own a showlie and i couldnt be less proud of her. Being a Dux De Cuatro Flores granddaughter she has excellent drives and working capabilities. Surely there are some pretty SL's that can work their asses of to. I was never a Vegas fan and never will be a fan of ugly over angulated rears! There are still a great deal of showlines in eastern europe who do not have over angulated rear and roached backs. Bash me all you want for stating my opinion, i just dont give a damn!

by ATARTHS on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
missbeeb
have you ever raised a litter of 12 puppies strong? By the 8th week you get a whole lotta poop, especially when you have three or four of these litters in parallel. Poop comes with the terittory, I guess all I'm sying is we are used to poop. But I much prefer poop from dogs rather than poop that comes out of people's mouths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ATARTHS on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
aristian m
Please R>T>F>Q> and dont get offended you were not in the picture of what i said. This goes on far longer than you know!

by aristianM on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
ATARTHS one could never doubt the beauty of that gorgeous red and black coat, the dark mask and lovely pigment. I love showlines but i hate over angulated and roached dogs. Vegas happens to fall in the over angulated category so i dont like him. Its nothing personal.

by aristianM on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
ATARTHS i respect your opinion! I have no right to bash you for stating your own opinion!

by aristianM on 17 November 2008 - 16:11
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