What about these ingredients? - Page 3

I wouldn't feed my dog with a food which has corn as the second ingredient.

I am for a small amount of corn. Those who avoid a small amount of corn in general have little reason, I believe.

Most of the Royal Canin foods DO have corn gluten meal in them.(Including the "Breed Specific" ones.) But the GSD doesn't.

 

 

OT..Thanksgiving is real close.So glad that the natives taught about corn...and saved many asses.

Highdesert you wrote: 

"THis was a large study done in 2004 and links bloat to dog food with fat as one of the first four ingredients. "

THis is a rather non-specific statement.

Look at "chicken meal" for instance. It itself has a rather high percentage of fat"

It is a very specific statement.  The study is not talking about meat or meal with fat, but very specifically "fat" listed as one of the first 4 ingredients.  The food VIckie described lists "poultry fat" as the 3rd ingredient.  That is the ingredient I was specifically talking about, and what the study references.  If anyone is interested I will email them the study, it's just additional information on a bloat,  which has gone largely misunderstood for a long time.  I had a GSD bloat years ago and never want it to happen to any of my dogs (or anyone elses) again.  I feed raw, so dry dog food is not a factor for me but I am still concerned about other causes of bloat.  VIckie asked for opinions on the ingredients in the food and fat  as the 3rd ingredient would concern me. 

Perhaps you didn't read my entire post, I know I often skim posts, but it was rather specific.  I have my reasons and my personal research and experience on why I feed raw.  I understand raw is not for everyone, based on expense, time, number of dogs to feed etc.   It works for me.  My dogs and Police K9 are fed raw and currently my dept doesn't contribute to his feeding.  I could go to Petsmart and get 40 lbs of any dog food I want each month and they will pay for that as they do for the other Police dogs.  But comparing his coat, muscle tone, energy levely and health to the other dogs I won't do it.  Now the other handlers are trying to get the dept to switch their dogs to raw after seeing him work. 

FWIW,

Jim

It is semantically specific but it does not indeed make specific sense.

Food A has 35% chicken meal by weight. The chicken meal has 16% fat. Added fat is fifth in order.

Food B has 25% chicken meal by weight. The chicken meal has 10% fat. Added chicken fat is fourth in order.

Which food actually has more chicken fat?

“What on earth would cause someone to believe that pretty colored kibble is good for their dog?” asks Shelley.

Absolutely right – forget about of all the nifty ingredients listed on the box/bag.

Food for the dog or food for the gullible?
 

What is "chicken meal" or "chicken by-product meal"? Basically ground dehydrated nutricous chicken parts minus the parts traditionally/customarily for human consumption. It is not dried protein powder alone. It contains a lot of fat from chicken the bird. The "chicken fat" in the ingredient list is additional fat. 

A statement like "chicken fat" as the fourth ingredient is imprecise and illogical . The total crude fat is a better theoretical criteria for inducing bloat.  

Yuck Meat Meal YUCK again??  When I was feeding kibble I would not feed anything that started off with a Meal of any sort, and especailly anything with Corn in it OR chicken by products.

Chicken by products are feet, beak and feathers, no nutritional value at all! YUCK.

I am back to feeding raw, and my dogs are super healthy, I find specials on whole chickens often enough to supplement that with K9-Kraving and it is pretty reasonable in price.  I skin most of the chicken when I am feeding chicken, which is one meal per day.

If you have to feed kibble and cost is an issue, if you have a Costco around their Kirkland small bites is a great food.  It is chicken, chicken meal etc, no corn.....lots of veggies, and its only $18.00 for a 40 pounds bag.

Chicken meal and chicken by-product meal have about the same nutritional value. Even about the same mineral (ash) content.

Chicken by-product meal is good stuff, if it is not overcooked, just as any  ingredient in kibbles.

http://www.hilarywatson.com/chicken.pdf

 

 

High Desert did you really read the posts.  Poultry fat was listed as the 3rd ingredient, not the fat in chicken meal or meat  according to Vickies thread.  THe study stated that fat (like poultry fat) by itself, not in combination with meal or chicken or other items in the top 4 ingredients was shown to have a higher risk for bloat.  So, perhaps the study is not specific enough for you.  It is for me, it clearly states: fat as an ingredient in the top 4 ingredients causes a higher risk for bloat.  Take it for what it's worth to you.  Again I'll PM you the whole study if you wish then you can analyze that and let us all know your findings.  If it were me I'd be careful feeding that food.  But as I stated previously, I feed raw so I don't have to worry about the ingredients in dry dog food. 

The study was not theorectical but scientific and factual so your total crude fat assumption is illogical.  As you stated the "chicken fat" is additional fat; here lies the problem and what the study showed to be the problem.  Lets agree to disagree on this.

Jim