I need advice please - Page 2

Raymond, videos would be awesome to see. 

Jim

Yes, videos would tell us alot.

I hate to say it,but it sounds to me like your trainers are trying to let you down easy. The worst thing you can do is try to force a  dog to do something it is not genetically hardwired for, unwilling, or unable to do.

Good luck

Best of luck to you.

 

I do not know a lot about this sport but I am sure that she is capable of oding it! I just took the whip and lambs wool and used it with her and she went after if like a rocket!  so fast that I was hard pressed to keep her from getting it but she got it more often than I deliberately let her. My most apparant concern is that they did not know what else to tell me other than inviting me to go to another club if I wished and  only other thing is to defense her and they will not do that. Point made clearly from me I think they do not want to tell me anything other than that so I will say " I guess she does not have it in her is what they are leading me to believe! But their own comments and conversations about their own dogs is completely different. I am getting better comments to help here than at my own club is what I find strange. I know she needs caged more and that is in progress at least 6 hours a day.  One regional and club helper and  ho more advice to give other than  I do not know what else to tell you "you can take her to another club if you want to make her bite" come on now I am sure there are alternatives. the advice I have gotten here is tons more than what I am getting at the club and these people are schutz 3 many times level and more? I am not trying to be an ass I am just making observations about the methods.I find it strange that I have not gotten the same advice from them as I have here and yous have never seen  her work. and let me say to all yous thanks a lot and god bless you for your help!!!!!!!!

How is her tracking coming along, BTW??

Ok Raymond. I you have now become a jackass in my book.

Your first sentence........

I do not know a lot about this sport but I am sure that she is capable of oding it!

Then tell us your experienced many time Sch 3 trainers are telling you.......

I guess she does not have it in her is what they are leading me to believe!

You are not hearing what they are telling you! If you are so inexperienced in the sport, why would you doubt what your trainers are telling you? If you don't like it or believe it than take their advice and find another club. (Which is what they are telling you to do, probably because the don't want you there anymore because you are not listening)

I always try to be supportive of new people trying to get into sport BUT I am always honest about the evalutaion of a dog and do not sugar coat things. It is not fair or ethical to force a dog to do something they are not able or willing to do. If you do, you are a jackass and don't deserve the dog.

When people come to my club, I tell them honestly what I think the dog is cabable of and what I am willing to do to get the dog there. We are a multi-sport club with several of my members doing OB only. Why? Because their dogs are not able to do bitework. I do not charge money for my members. IF they do not like what I am telling them, they can leave. If you were at my club, I would have told you to kick rocks. Probably in those exact words.

IF the dog doesn't have it. It doesn't have it. Period. You may think she is the future national champion but your trainers are telling you otherwise. We all want to believe our dog is the best, but you have to live in reality and BE FAIR TO THE DOG!!!!

Sure you can make any dog to bite if you work it so defensively or abuse it and force it to bite. Is that ethical? Is that in the best interest of the dog? Is it safe for other people who come into contact with the dog?

Your club sounds like a good club with knowlegeable and ethical people. There are alot of clubs out there that will tell you your dog is great and keep taking your money. Good for these guys.

Do the right thing and either find a sport your dog is capable of doing, find ourself another dog, put this dog in an appropriate home, or any combination of these things.

It is supposed to be about the dogs, not ourselves. Not about ego or money. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE DOG!

If you do not do right by your dog, you are a jackass in my book. If you continue trying to push this dog, you are a jackass.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I have little patients for things like this.