Show lines that can't work - Page 2

more reason to see more working lines at the Sieger, we all know most (and I do mean most not all so please don't get on my case) showline folks are all about the trophy, why not show them how it's done and win the performance trophy the first year, also one that deserves it (them they will hand out 6ea, top males and top females). Interesting if won by all working lines.  to me it would be worth more than any VA title that's bought anyday, plus we all know competition sometimes is a big motivator.  will also be nice to see some of the beautiful workingline dogs that are out there.

Ceddydog, You said," Working people don't even care if a dog is correct or can even walk ",   Now when I look at BSP, which is the working eqivalent to the Seiger show, and I see that 90% of the first ten dogs are Ko'ered, with only one dog lower than a SG(very good) rating, I wonder how you can equate your statement I quoted, with this fact. Just curious?

Ceddydog, You said," Working people don't even care if a dog is correct or can even walk ",   Now when I look at BSP, which is the working eqivalent to the Seiger show, and I see that 90% of the first ten dogs are Ko'ered, with only one dog lower than a SG(very good) rating, I wonder how you can equate your statement I quoted, with this fact. Just curious?

It's not "tit for tat", and it's not apples to apples.  I can provide a ton of links to working line dogs who have "V" conformation ratings, but very few show line dogs ever earn 286 points ("V" on the schutzhund field.

The SV has recognized there is an issue of work ethic in the show lines and it looks like they are  taking steps to rectify the situation as evidenced by what the breed warden had to say last meeting (5/08?).  UScA is finally now also taking steps to rectify the situation in the USA. 

I am not saying there is no room for improvement in working lines, but I AM saying (once again), form FOLLOWS function.  This means that in order to compete at those higher levels, contrary to what a poster said above, by virtue of the day in and day out training and physical stress, the dogs must be built to handle the work.   In fact,  the dogs that compete at the higher levels are almost always breed surveyed and therefore, already have a conformation rating, and passing hip and elbow grades.  

 Rexy has clarified that she/he is talking about in Australia. 

Sunsilver:  "I think that was the point where I got permanently soured on anything to do with western horsemanship. I rode English for many years, and never saw ANYTHING to even compare with that sort of abuse!"

I saw just as bad in the English world.  It's not style specific, it's person specific.



From what has been posted here, if I remember right, Australia does not allow Schutzhund type work.  I would think HGH would be the working method there, minus the bitework portion for them.....

Tina,

There IS schutzhund in Australia and has been for years.   USA judges have been invited to judge  their schtuzhund trials for at least the past ten years.  Lance Collins has judges and held seminars there for many years.  Enough so that some Aussies even come up for the West Coast  WorkWeek.   They have a lively schutzhund community, complete with a national organization and website. 


  ...and Xhango has been the cover-boy for their schutzhund magazine!!   One of his "Rocky -The-Flying-Squirrel" launches in a courage test...from behind.