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by snajper69 on 20 November 2008 - 16:11
Are we talking here about 0, no pray drive? Or are we actually talking about week pray drives, not dominant etc. I am not going to make a statement weather a dog with no pray drive can or can’t do it, but even if it can I don't think it should. I believe every dog has pray drive :) but not all dogs have the right or needed for the protection part :).
BTW I never came across a dog that had no pray drives, poor, wrong developed pray drives yeah. But no? It would be kind of unnatural don't ya think?
Why would any one want to train dog with poor pray drive in protection? It's just hard for me to understand. Do that person really has the best interest of the dog in mind? Or is her/his ego more important? Just a thought.
BTW those SL you referring to usually have pray drive, is just not high pray drive like in some working lines. Yup I am pretty sure that there are many levels of pray drives :) lol.
by GSDguy08 on 20 November 2008 - 17:11
snajper69 I was talking about the absolute smallest amount of prey drive a dog could have
by PowerHaus on 20 November 2008 - 17:11
Held, I guess that is why I have a SchH3 dog....cause I am sooooo ignorant!
Anyway, for anyone else....I have SEEN with my own eyes a dog trained to a SchH1 with clicker training, it was a Malinois! Only had food drive!
Vickie
by snajper69 on 20 November 2008 - 18:11
Well smallest that's what I though. Like I said never seen dog with no pray drive. I would not train personally any dog with small pray drive, unless the low pray drive was due to upbringing of the dog and could be enhanced through working with him/her. Yes dogs with week pray drive can be trained in protection, it's being done every day. I would not expect that dog to go any higher than SchI but with capable hands I wouldn't be surprise. I don't think that dog would ever make good sport dog, but family protector? Quite possible. Sports require a lot of consistency, pray drive makes it all possible with very good results (at least makes it easier). But that's my opinion I am sure that there are quite more knowledgeable people on this board that will be able to answer this question better. But I am sure that they will take more factors under consideration than just pray drive :). BTW it is a common believe that some trainer have: “no pray drive equals no point of protection training” it would require more effort than it’s worth it. I seen some dogs that live only for a bite J no other drive, try training that best, that dog end up being well balanced dog in the end, who would have though huh? I am sure it required a lot of work, but there are trainers out there that bring the best out of dog with no matter how limited spectrum they have to work with. J
by moondust on 20 November 2008 - 18:11
vickie i thought you bought your dog with it's title's ? OPPS that was HALO
by snajper69 on 20 November 2008 - 18:11
lol here you go again.........
by Held on 20 November 2008 - 19:11
Vikie you are the prime example of the fact that any tom ,dick,and harry can have a shutzhund dog and can be a breeder.thanx for proving my point.
by snajper69 on 20 November 2008 - 19:11
any tom ,dick,and harry
Man I need to change my name, maybe that is why I don't have SCH titled dog lol :) hahaha Sorry I had to ;).
by John Kennedy on 20 November 2008 - 21:11
snajper69,
Maybe I was out of line when I said that my male had no prey drive or play drive. He was a 23 months old male and it was hidden very deep down I guess. Not for an ego, but I think SchH training, no matter how far you go with it, is good for both the dog and the trainer. If at the very least, you will meet many other people that can teach you a few things. For those peole that have shown me and/or reminded me, I thank them.
At the very least, I think we owe it to our dogs to give them every opportunity to let them do there best. To me, there is no such thing as, it would require more work than it's worth. Every dog and handler is worth the extra work, as long as they both enjoy it.
John Kennedy
by snajper69 on 20 November 2008 - 21:11
I work with my dogs for their benefit, and to benefit our long term relation to each other. If I don't enjoy it or my dogs don't enjoy, I do not do it. Every dog needs a purpose. Every effort is worth the time if it benefits both the dog and the hendler, not every team needs to be champions. Training is about building strong bond and way to comunicate, everything else is just the iceing on the cake :). Do what makes you and your dog happy. Make sure that you both enjoy it :)
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