Major problem with a puppy - Page 2

I've seen dogs who were disciplined by shaking a can of pennies. They respected the can, and totally ignored the human unless he/she were holding it!

NOT what you want to teach your dog!

The only time I've used a shake can was when temperment testing my pup before I bought her. She ran after it to check it out...no fear whatsoever!  :D

 Sunsilver,

Oh, that's why! I don't use it anymore, but there was a time when he'd be such a little devil, the shake would stop him. And actually it was a huge plastic jug with left over Halloween candy, lol! I wouldn't say my dog is afraid of it, but I could see it happening with some dogs (and owners).

The shake of can is to get her attention, focusing tool. Be afraid of a can? Are you serious My dog would rip that can apart. Later be afraid of noises? if you use it wrong way than maybe it will but that's because you don't know what you doing, and nothing to do with the can.

It's an old method, some people use keys, some people use cans, whatever works to get attention, it is based on the idea that puppies have short attention spam, once you distract them from doing something destructive and focus attention on something else they will not go back and repeat the destructive

You have to be careful when taking training advises from people on a message board, a lot of them are less than qualify (being kind here) to give any training advises. Any trainer will want to see the dog before advising so do you really think that people on this board are so well educated and so good at training that they don't need to see the dog before suggesting something?

Leash is the most proven method why? Because it teaches the dog that he/she is under control all the time, but it will not be a solution if your dog jus lacks of exercise.

I been around dogs for quite some time, all my friends always call me to help them with their dogs, but guess what even I use trainers for my dogs, and I can train whole obedience aspect to my dog, but sometime you just need someone more experience, someone that will notice something that you are missing, some one that is not blind to your dog needs and abilities.

Whatever you decide good luck, it really sounds like you have a good dog don't screw it up, maybe you should take her away from your family for few days and take a look at what is the problem, she might be just too hyper for a house with a small child (I don’t belive in that it sounds more like control issue, and on owners part not the dog), that's all.  behavior

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to comment and offer suggestions.

As I mentioned I will be bringing her over to stay with me for a month or two to see whether the change in environment combined with a more vigorous exercise regimen  and other suggestions that members have made will help calm her down. A dog trainer told us that just being around my dog will probably help her - btw, they do play well together and when she has stayed with us in the past for brief periods both get exhausted playing with each other. We do have a large fenced yard so they have plenty of room to run around.

As I said, she is a very sweet dog but very high energy. I would have brought her this weekend but as I mentioned on a separate thread my dog was neutered just over two weeks ago and thereafter developed diarrhea for whatever reason. I want his stomach to settle before bringing her over.

You are only avoiding the problem.

The dog need's to make mistake's in order to be corrected.   The dog is not being corrected properly.

Food, excersice, toy's, supervision, not being locked up in a crate, all good consideration's.   But correction is needed, vigilance.

This shouldn't be a major problem.

Moons is right taking the dog away will not solve a problem, but it dose sounds like they are over whelmed kid, puppy and this might be best for the dog, but socialization of  the dog with the kid is very important. Unfortunately the pup might bond with your dog rather than with his/her owner (bad thing) So you should limit their play time together. What I don't like about two dogs (older and pup) being brought up together is that the pup will pick up any negative habits :) from your male, but it will work both ways it will pick up good ones from him as well. I like doing obedience in group of older dogs as the pup dose pick up faster. Any way good luck to you, I am glad that you guys working with a trainer that has a chance to evaluate the pup and point out any mistakes that you might be making.  

TWO MOONS, should not be a major problem? They have not 1 but 2 babies in the house. Reality is how many of us have doted on our dogs, then had a child and the dogs take a back seat to the new Baby. This puppy is a toddler who can get around on his feet and get into things and play with the wrong items. Unless they are willing to spend the time with the pup to excerise it beyond what they feel approiate, play, bond, take out to potty, keep up with training, this puppy is going to be a real handful when it gets older. Just shoving it into the crate is not going to "cure" the issues, just put them aside for awhile or magnify them when he does have time out of the crate. A new Baby in the house can be overwhelming. Thanks Grandma for taking the pup, it may help to try and train, that outside is play and inside is quite time. I have 4 at home right now, my Rottie takes very seriously the inside outside rule, and he insists that the other's follow it also. It is very funny to see him in action. I do use crates and find them hepful, but you have to still raise the pup, not put him in cold storage until you are ready.

Just to be clear, I think I should have said  pen instead of crate. We actually had an X-pen in our kitchen with  a doorless crate inside that. Until the pup is past the behavior, it just is nice to know he can be put somewhere and be safe, should you have to do something. Also, it is a safe spot for toddler and pup to be in the same room. Took up a fair amount of space, but it doesn't last forever. I would never "shut up" a dog in a crate. I have the gnawed legs of half my furniture as a testament to our trials and tribulations of the determined chewer. I hate the thought of so many dogs locked up while their owners are at work all day.

And 1doggie2 has a point, I hope they have thought their situation out thoroughly, especially in deciding baby should NEVER be left alone with unmannered puppy. Don't mean to lecture! It's been a struggle for dominance for my 8 yo son vs 2 yo GSD, (but  finally son, he  is  winning the contest,)  I'd just be ever so watchful.

I also like the inside/outside rule, makes sense to me.

PUP NEEDS DISCIPLINE IMMEDIATELY WITH OWNER NOT SOMEONE ELSE.

Changing the environment will not correct.  Pup will bond with YOUR dog, playing to exhaust it, will not correct or channel this dogs attention.

A can of anything rattling is not the way to get attention for obedience or for focus...Use your finger to your nose, get the dog to look at his favorite piece of MEAT or Treat , and demand he look into your eyes...Step by step obedience first , then exercise., fun and games...This pup is competing with a baby in family. , so not sure unless they are serious about training if will be done.  A pup must bond with the family and one or two as pack leader. It will bond with the dog outside, the toys, your friend and her dog, which I assume is the poster, anything that moves , and if you (owner) dont do the bonding and get the pup entirely looking at you and should already be sitting, and coming on command with undivided attention.

Most breeders have their pups sitting, and coming, Hier, when they are 8 weeks old. If you work and exercise this pup every day in the same way...repitition , it will soon love to please you.  Keep lots of nyla bones, cow hooves, round steak bones, for chews as this is the time they want to chew. Do not let them start any bad habits,  because then you deal with it later.

This is all very time consuming.,but can be done by the family taking turns if they all do it the very same way everyday/

"Dogs in the wild have  no issues, it is when they come in contact with HUMANS that issues arise."..A quote from Ceasar Milan...last night on Fox News Sean Hannity show interview...

Breaking the pup of chewing on furnature should not be a problem, period.

A wild ass puppy and a baby don't mix ever !!  A little common sense should be enough to answer that !!

Soooooo............................... what's it gonna be, the baby or the pup?  One of them has to go outside...!!!

Mountain's out of mole hill's.