oversize? - Page 2

They have wickets at AKC shows.  Interesting to see the wicket come out in an early class and then see who scratches from later classes.

My thing is VA should go to the best dog, best according to standards, not best that day, I don't care just don't give to no one that day, I think that would be better than calling crap a quality. And I think VA dog should have full working test no excuses GSD is a workind dog and VA dog should be able to perform whole SCH III rutine at any given time if not he fails the first rule which is "GSD is a working dog" so he should work, not just look pretty :). I belive that approach would solve a lot of issues that we have with in the breed. Just my 2 cents :)

I agree, snajper69. 

By "best that day" I mean the dog most correct according to the standard that is present there that day.

Sometimes at dog shows you look around and realize that although Dog A won, Dog B and Dog C could also have won because they are all so good, and it could've gone either way, but some days the judge must think, "oy vey, how do I pick a winner out of this sorry lot?" and some days there's a dog that you've seen before, and you know he's wonderful, but on that day he just is not himself and perhaps is no longer well-muscled, but flabby and tired.  Now he may be the best dog, but on that day he isn't, because he's tired out running around the ring and doesn't present himself well, and you think where did that nice topline and hind-end go? I know he has them, but the judge on that day doesn't see them because on that day they're not there, and so the wonderful dog doesn't win.

Thanks for y'all comments.

"best that day" were VA1 & VA2 according to another SV Judge that attended the show. How could the judge give 1st place to an oversize dog instead? Why he did't do the other way around just to commit on what he was supposed to do?

Just for y'all information, the Judge was HERR. REINHARDT MEYER who was appointed by SV to solve the size problem. How could he cheat on himself?

Well anyway, I think there had been some kind of conspiracy during our Sieger Show that day, if there wasn't it might because of the alcohol effect I had the day before.

Maybe he though that the standard is wrong :) lol

You said that he was appointed to solve the size problem, maybe he thinks the small dogs are the problem not the oversize lol.

That's why I don't like shows!!!!! And show people (sorry) lol hahahaha :)

Your right Snajper................... But I'm a show guy and big is big!

Thanks for all comment..

andrew is you have something complain, please going directly to our gsd club, Indonesia German Shepherd Club. In our office we also got complain from member about that, because they know about the judge make at statement in the world about oversize dog in videx..

yes. the winner is really big dog, the name is Kenzo vom Grafenburg, SG7 JKL 2005 by Reinhardt Meyer, he also have nachkommen with big size also, but please respect with the judge, who is official invited from our club and that day is belong to him..

we have 3 VA and 7V at openclass male and all is imported from Germany with SchH and korueng so you still can breed of many normal size in Indonesia

so Andrew, dont worry our club will be give "tips" to our breeder to control the size of  they female must be really small size to stud with Sieger and Indonesia didnt have so much oversize dog born in here

I already make interview with him, so Mr Reinhardt as breedwarden in Germany make statement in country outside Germany still "forgive" to oversize dog for reduce oversize dog in Germany

The decision @ this years German show was a deliberate statement done to point breeders back towards smaller dogs, and to slow/stop the trend towards oversized ones.  The same's happened in the US AKC nationals in the past when one trend was flooding the breeding and show ranks (though FAR too seldom) to push a dog with a specific needed trait into the limelight so that breeders would look towards that as desirable.  

  While I've no use for a 30" GSD male I'll admit that I tend to like 27" as an ideal, and 25" for females instead of the standard's ideals of 24" for females and 26" for males...   As has been pointed out  if you've 5 dogs in your final choices at a show, and the dog with the fewest faults is the one who is slightly over standard is it better to put him up, or to put up an inferrior dog who happens to be the ideal height?  Seems like a no brainer... the dog with fewest faults is #1.  UNLESS you are specifically making a statement to the fancy about height, such as this year's German Sieger show, and each judge is going to have their special likes and dislikes in making this  decision.

bigger is not better.

stick to the standard.  want a bigger dog, find a bigger breed.

KISS

john

I'm with you jletcher18.

Standard is something you need to follow, if you can't accept....have your own Sieger Show.

For IGSC President, I'm so sorry about my writing in this forum but I saw the other way around of the standard GSD in the Sieger Show.

Would you please also give me your personal e-mail, so I can discuss with you personally?