"Cowhocks-how much is too much?" - Page 2

Chris, a few months ago I saw a video of Zamp (or a dog that was supposed to be Zamp) that showed a rather cowhocked dog with a loose rear that gaited and walked on its hocks much like an Am lines dog.  He was moved out on a loose lead and he was not restricted at all.  I haven't been able to find it since, but will keep trying to remember who sent it to me. Some may have seen that and arrived at the conclusion that Zamp has a weak rear. I can't say if it really was Zamp or not, only that the video was attributed to him. Good to hear from someone who has seen him that he has a good rear. He's certainly a very beautiful dog on his photos.

Blitzen,

I would not believe that a minute that Zamp has a weak rear. Just take a look at these two short videos I posted. While these videos are rather crude, it does show his beautiful movement. If you find the video I would love to see it.

any footage of zamp jumping?

So my boy    UKhan vom Canisphere should have a good show future since Zamp von Thermodos is he's Grandfather.

My Boy's Sire:  V Fello v.d. Zomerdijkslanden (DE) SchH 3 Fello is on the Database

Fello's Sire:      VA 1 Zamp vom Thermodos SchH 3

                            VA 2 Quantum von Arminius SchH 3

Dam:  SG Xara vom Canisphere SchH 1

I will post a reasond picture of Khan Soon

Delacruz,

ha ha, if it was that easy that grandchildren and children have a great show future due to the ancestors' accomplishments, we would all have winners!

For anybody else, here is the pedigree of the dog in question: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/552584.html 

Cowhockedness can happen in any line. The puppy I bred with that condition was out of V-Cary vom Fiemereck and a V-Tacko vd Wienerau-daughter. Another one was out of the Baru-line which I also see in your dog's pedigree. But that does not mean that I would shun a dog out of that line, on the contrary. This particular line has so much to offer that I will try again. Different combinations, different outcomes!

I believe I had told you that before: If you want any serious input on what lines produce certain problems, please register at www.dsh-biz.de and ask your questions there. You are German, so you should be able to navigate that site. You might be surprised what you will get.

P.S. Something does not quite add up here: Is your dog a repeat breeding to the link I posted? This dog carries the same name, but is registered as a male with a-normal hips? Can you elaborate?

It seems like most of the dogs with an excellent sidegait tend to be hocky...I might be talking foolishness...but thats what it seems like happened to the American Dogs...they focused so much on that sidegait that they got a lovely trot and a frightening rear (not that I think banana foot is lovely....but they seem too).

Stupid question regarding this though -- does hockiness like this lead to long term pad tearing (when they spend alot of time running around outside...like herding...and their pads end up tearing?)

~Cate

Silbersee

Sorry for the confusion The picture above is NOT Khan Khan is my boy . The picture above is a Female, here are  her Sire and dam both on the database.

Simba von Haus Curak Onda  Sire

V1 Yessi von der Boerde Dam

Typically, severe cowhocks are caused by a specific formation of the pelvis with the frontal width greater than the rear width as compared to the pelvis of non-cowhocked GSDs.  There appears to be somewhat less HD in severely cowhocked dogs due to this same diference in pelvis formation.

delacruz- off topic, but I know a daughter out of Fello. She is exceptional and spirited, and were she for sale I would snap her up in a heartbeat. How tragic to lose Fello in such a sad way. Lucky you to have a pup from him!

My understanding is in a well angulated dog a slight cowhock as a puppy is normal, then strengthens later. I have to say an adult or adolescent dog with cowhocks is a big no-no to me. I once trained a male pup so severely cowhocked, he actually got tangled (think bambi on the ice) while performing a flip finish. Pretty sad.