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Hired Dog,

Your premise is flawed.  ANYBODY cannot train ANYDOG to pass a trial.  There are plenty of good dogs out there who flunk.

My daughter has flunked with her dog 3 times trying to get her IPO 1.  He is a HOT dog and she is an experienced trainer.  It's not easy.  You want to come test her dog, be my guest.   I'm not paying for the stitches.

Go title your dogs and tell us how fast and easy it was.  How all of your dogs passed first time.  ALL of us have our humbling moments when our dogs did not pass.

You make statements that are extremely general, and not accurate and use that as your platform to argue from.  Go out and give it a try and let us know how it goes.  My guess is your dogs can't even pass a BH.

bzcz when I speak in here, I assume that I dont have to break down every single sentence that comes out of my mouth and those who participate in here have a basic understanding of what we are talking about. My statements are general for that reason, I dont have the time nor patience to sit and write page after page of details, end of.

As far as me trying to train my dog for something I find useless, sure, as soon as they start paying serious money to the winner of such an event, I will join my nearest IPO club and devote my time, effort and energy at accomplishing this most urgent and important goal.

As far as your dog or your daughter's HOT dog not passing the first time, maybe some people are not the trainers they think they are, maybe some judges are more serious then others or maybe the wind was blowing out of the SW that day and the dog was not used to that..I dont know. Oh, and just for you...ANYBODY that has TRAINING experience and has actually TRAINED dogs for THIS sport CAN train a dog...after all, this is the whole premise of what you are talking about, yes? Is this NOT general enough for you? 

LOL, but it's not a test! (sarcasm)  She has trained HOT dogs before and has V'd the tracking and the protection before.  And she has won in state Obedience competitions. 

So she can train, that's established.  So how is it that ANYONE can train ANYDOG to PASS.  What about all the dogs that fail at National Championships?

If anyone can pass anydog anytime since it's not a test, then why are they failing?

Who outside of the almighty you says your dogs are competent?  I've seen plenty of kennel blindness.

You say your dog would bite the hand of someone who tried to feed them.  Naturally?  with no training?  If so, that's bad nerves.

bzcz, one more thing, I am trying to see/hear the football match between Brazil and Germany, thank the Universe Germany is winning so I may not be able to further address you this evening, I do need to train my dog for the "sit" command later, I have been at it for over a year now and still cant get him to grasp it...maybe another year or so, but, if you take the time to respond, I did not want you to think I was rude and ignoring you, thank you for your time.

bzcz...please...develop a sense of humor, stop taking everything so damn literally. Would it make you feel better if my dog is a nerve bag, ok, he is a nerve bag...I dont have a kennel and I have perfect vision...let me see, what else did you say...Oh, I have no idea nor control over dogs at some Nationals and I am very happy your child can train. My apologies if I started from the bottom up when answering your comments, I hope that does not confuse you, have a hreat evening.

Germany - Brazil 5:0 right now, no interest in dogs at the moment...

And again you avoid answering pointed questions.

I have plenty of humor,  I also recognize those who pound the podium but never took the class.

Train a dog and then we'll talk.

YellowRose your last post is way off the mark./

You cannot look at an 8 week old pup and know that he is going to do anything.  You can have an idea but you sure can't test it or prove it.  and another 30 days isn't going to tell you everything either.  Hell, the 2nd fear imprinting stage doesn't occur until the 4th month (approx) 30 days more than the 12 week old puppy you claim to know what he is. Any helper will tell you that puppies don't show fight drive at 8 weeks. 

There's a reason that the saying is puppies are crapshoots.  That's also why almost none of the top competitors start out with puppies.

I had a son out of Raudi vom Haus Welz.  WUSV competitor.  Littermate to Rocky vom Haus Welz, WUSV Champion.

Raudi had a son out of a different female, Troy vom Haus Welz who was a WUSV competitor.

Raudi was bred to Lana Rassastandard, an LGA SchH 3 Bitch whose littermate brother was a BSP competitor.

Raudi and Lana were bred twice.  NONE of the pups to my knowledge EVER got a SchH title.  and I know of several who were being trained for that.  Should have been a shoo in for them.  They all looked good as young pups.  None of them panned out.  Under your methodology in your post they would be allowed to breed and represent the GSD.

What they were was genetic dead ends that had no business being bred.  Without the training and the titling, you will never know.

"NO need to spend time and money titling" = the death of the working dog.

bzcz, ok, I just finished training a dog, can we talk now? Lets see, what pointed questions are you talking about I missed? Ahh, yes, questions about why dogs are failing and the almighty...well, I have some answers for you I am sure you wont like, but, here we go. First, its IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to say why a certain dog failed or did not title or whatever. I have no relationship with your almighty, I am a Buddshist and as such, I believe in Cause and Effect which tell me that for those answers, those trainers need to look at themselves and see what they did wrong, not look to place the blame on something outside of them.

Next, I have no podium to pound, but, it would be better pounding that then what you are pounding sir, vigorously too I might add. I have never had an interest in playing some game on some field, dogs to me represent work. You like to argue, with anyone who does not see your little piece of your world the way you do, but, maybe you can tell me...after all the self advertising of being this and that, of training and such, why does it take you or yours 3 times to title in the lowest level of your sport?

Now as far as my dog biting without being trained...you call that a nerve issue? It cant be because the dog is genetically civil or aggressive or anything else, it MUST be a nerve issue because you said so without having ever seen it...Some of us actually like dogs that we need to train when NOT to bite, who bite because their genetics tell them to, but, I am sure you know way more then me or anyone else in here about that, no? Oh, if I am being too general again its because I hope I am talking to someone who understands and I dont need to S P E L L everything.

As far as me being an almighty, well, that may be a little excessive, but, thank you for your compliment, it shows you understand, however, I will humor you...when my dog sits in front of an explosive device alerting me, I do not need the likes of you to tell me how good that dog is. When my dog finds someone hiding and nails him, I think that its good enough for me and your opinion on that dog means as much as whats produced from that pounding you keep talking about sir. Now, with your permission, I must take my leave and return to celebrating a European country kicking Brazil's ass on their home turf, have a great night and look inward for the answers.

Susie, my sincere congrats for your country's win, 7-1 against a powerhouse like Brazil is a HUGE deal.