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by RompNRun on 29 May 2014 - 19:05
As someone who worked on this project in the US for many years, I can make some general comments.
1) The technology is available in the US. We spent millions perfecting it. The price point offered by the South Korean company, Sooam Biotech, can not be matched in the US because of our higher ethical standards for research animals.
2) Nature vs. Nurture-- Nature gives us the building blocks for development. It is nurture that determines the overall outcome. I have met the Missy's. All three are different.
by joanro on 29 May 2014 - 19:05
Why is being ethical more expensive? Doesn't compute.

by susie on 29 May 2014 - 20:05
RompNRun is talking about the 3 German Shepherd/Coyote clones called "Missy".
What was your work on this project?
May you explain us the differences between the dogs?
Very interesting, just don´t want to bother you with too many questions...
by beetree on 29 May 2014 - 23:05
Susie,
You might find this interesting reading. Seems like everyone here is not on the same page regarding the maternal recipient cows contributions being nil, too, as describe here in the provided link. Bucking patterns as a consistent result only makes sense if the combined genetic attributes are similar or identical is how I would explain it.
http://www.pbr.com/en/news/features/other-features/2012/7/attack-of-the-clones.aspx
From that point, the clone undergoes regular development until the cow gives birth. She has no maternal input in the calf's genetics.
The genetic makeup is known as the genotype, and is comparable to the same chromosome lineup in twins.
"The best way to describe it," Accomazzo said, "is a clone is a genetically-put-together identical twin. That's what they are, and all we've done is use science and put together a twin of the original."
The phenotype - physical appearance - can vary from one clone to another.
The Slim clones all have a slightly different yet recognizable color pattern, and subtle differences in their personalities and bucking patterns. For instance, two-time reigning Stock Contractor of the Year Jeff Robinson, who purchased the clones from Accomazzo, said that Panhandle Slim was undoubtedly meaner than the clones.
Robinson said one of the four is decidedly friendlier than the other three, and one has been more standoffish than the other three. All four are similar in size and have nearly the same bucking pattern.

by GSD Lineage on 30 May 2014 - 00:05
bzcz the color not being the same in clones only reffers to the exact white pattern (shape) on say the feet and chest. Otherwise, the color is very much identical.
by joanro on 30 May 2014 - 00:05
by beetree on 30 May 2014 - 00:05
Yes, Joan, I believe it is. Yet, I also agree with Susie that that action is not the result of a single "bucking gene". The will to buck, well, I don't think that gene has been mapped, and still wonder if there is one.
by joanro on 30 May 2014 - 01:05
Good work, Beetree.
by joanro on 30 May 2014 - 01:05
And yes, the clones are the same color as the donor, otherwise.
by bzcz on 30 May 2014 - 10:05
GSD Lineage, You are incorrect. I have been involved with Holstein clones and the black/white coloring patterns are not the same. Just spend some time looking at cloned holsteins. The will have different amounts of black and white. The patterns are similar but they are not the same. There are easily seen differences between the clones and the donor.
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