This coming from the religious right. - Page 4

Agreed ^^^

" It has been overdone, time and again. Much greater biblical minds than my own have offered you incredible amounts of perspective and thoughtful interpretations of learned scholarship. "

Who are these great biblical minds you speak of? I have yet to speak to one here. I would not consider any of the people who have posted here about religion to be a great biblical mind. Knowledgeable, yes and probably the two most knowledgeable are GSDTravels and Ruger.

 

" There is no proof to your assertion. " And your proof to back your assertion is what? The bible says so. lol. My proof has been spelled out here numerous times. The bible is not correct. If you are going to post here how the earth and everything is 2000 years old? You are wrong. Are you telling me there was a virgin birth? Seriously? The first humans on earth lived long before the bible. They also came out of Africa and not the middle east. If God created a man in his likeness then how is it that we have numerous races? Are you trying to tell me this God didn't realize man would sin? I thought he was all knowing and omni-potent? So, my whole contention is if these are all wrong what makes you believe that there is this mystical heaven and hell.

 

" I don't need to accept your odds, I am sticking with my own, as I have the better chance of all possible outcomes being in my favor." And what odds are you trying to increase? There are no odds, you are going to die and when you do you cease to exist on every plain. You aren't increasing your odds, this isn't a bet, this isn't a game, it is life and death. You aren't increasing your odds because there is no odds to be increased.

 

And now the rest of the story - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/feds-want-hastert-under-house-arrest-ckckck-221750

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who are these great biblical minds you speak of?

I am talking broadly, thoughout the years of these neverending bashfests against Christian religions. Of the two minds you do mention, IMO, I'd agree with about half.

And your proof to back your assertion is what?

I have no physical proof, I stated that, and it is the same situation you face. Your understanding of the Bible and its interpretations are presented constantly in the same vein as Shtal— that they are always meant to be understood, literally. You assume this to make you appear correct, but instead it still, only makes it your opinion. So simply restated we are: Stalemated.

Are you trying to tell me this God didn't realize man would sin? I thought he was all knowing and omni-potent? So, my whole contention is if these are all wrong what makes you believe that there is this mystical heaven and hell.

I am not trying to tell you anything. That will never be my intention. I am entitled to my opinion that you always take the wrong tack when forming "your contention". It takes some abstract thinking, that for whatever reason, you lack or don't care to explore. I am not interested in changing that about you in order to change your opinion.

So, my whole contention is if these are all wrong...

Since I hold the opinion that what you base your contentions on is done in a "wrong" manner, then obviously, I can't agree with your end judgments of what makes something "wrong" in the Bible. Your original intent when seeking answers in the Bible, I suspect, might be at the root of our differences in how we perceive this issue.

what makes you believe that there is this mystical heaven and hell. 

It always comes down to what reason is there for having faith? The only way to fulfill that ideal are miracles. I simply have had my own miracles, and that is good enough for me. You aren't so fortunate in that regard, is my guess. I have no answers for you. I would suspect though, that God has that answer for you, but you aren't listening so, here we are! Going nowhere with this conversation! I hope it is the last one on this subject!

And now the rest of the story...

THANK GOD! ... for that!

 

 

 

Bee, I have had my own miracles I just chose the common sense approach and not pen my fortunate luck on a mythical man made being. Remember I have had a near death experience and lived through an accident that most others would not have lived through. It wasn't because of a God, it was because I made the right moves and was lucky enough to have been found by teen boys who almost didn't stop to help. Unexplained good fortune is not proof that a bible God exists. I grew up in a christian home was baptized but I watched and listened like all good christian children but the difference between say me and you is things didn't add up for me and being I am a very good student of numbers and common sense I learned that the numbers they are trying to sell(brainwash you to believe) do not add up and no matter how you figure it 1 + 1 does not equal 3. I have extreme respect for those like my grand parents who actually walk the walk and less for those who pretend on Sunday that they are close to God and on Monday they are hypocrites and what I have found throughout my 50 + years is that most christians are only looking to increase their odds. Odds of what I am uncertain but they talk about their odds being better if they go to church and believe in this man made being. No loving caring God is going to send me to hell (hell lol) for my beliefs and especially when there are christians who sin one day and repent the next and sin the next day. You all claim god killed everyone on earth (great flood) because he didn't like the way humans lived but he allows children to be hurt by christian child molesters, really? Aren't children gods most precious gift?

@GSD Not sure who is grouped into the "you all" comment. I would prefer we stick to "you and me" if you are insisting on me attempting to answer or express myself, regarding your comments.

We all will react to our miracles in different ways, I guess. I know what is the right thing for me, and it isn't the same for you. I wonder how someone who doesn't believe in a higher power can actually believe in miracles? That to me makes no sense. I think you can't have one without the other. You just got extremely lucky, don't you think? The difference here again, is that pesky unseeable "faith" issue. Call it the way you see it, and let me call it the way I see it. Ok?

What I don't understand is why "your group", just can't let the different thinkers alone with their own expressive Christian/Bible-loving thinking. "Your group" here, aggressively seeks disagreeable discourse, just to be able to spout out claims to be better with simple math, or I think what you are actually implying, is "your group" insists on possessing better common sense, or an advantage and preference for straight line thinking,

If some fanatics of religion are breaking laws, sure, arrest them. If they are starting wars, then stop them. If some fanatics are Shtal, just let him keep copying and pasting three year old threads, but yes, one should stop him from plagiarizing! Why instead people just don't engage him if his literal fanaticism really bothers them, I don't know! But... maybe I suspect, I do! I think it is a well loved sport and pastime, here! By far the stats must show the Shtal threads are the most active of any threads, all the time! Ugh. I am usually the odd woman out with this preoccupation!

At the same time, if the Church communities are opening soup kitchens, after school programs, and providing shelter for the homeless, would you not join in and help them?

Now, let me address the "increased odds", comment. Yeah? So what! That would be the smart thing to do, especially if you are as comfortable with simple math as you claim! I don't see the issue you are having. It is just an extra motivator for some, so, just... maybe not you!

No one likes a hypocrite, I get that, but hypocrites aren't limited to Sunday mass goers and being sinners Mon. - Sat. If you insist on a standard of perfection from your fellow humans, I can image it is a good thing you are a lover of your companion dogs! My personal experience is that I know more people who are better at religion and church going than I am, that also are very consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ, actively participating in the community in ways that show kindness, compassion, generosity and love of their family. Not everyone is in the mafia who goes to church!

If someone is going through the motions and that is your personal deal breaker for a friendship or relationship, then so be it. I can also point out, that it is just as unbecoming of you to blame everyone as being that way who enjoys the social aspects of communal worship. I personally prefer a more singular experience with my spirituality, and have no problem separating a belief in God and Jesus and the teachings of the Bible, from the institutions founded by religions. One can be spiritual and not religious, as far as I am concerned.

I have every bit the same chance of screwing up my afterlife prospects as you. I am totally aware of that and I do hope there will be mitigating circumstances come judgment day, lol. I truly don't worry about the end time and afterlife, as there is no point to speculation in my view, instead I prefer to try to live a decent and honest life. Not a perfect one, by any means.

I get it that you have a beef about the Old Testament God. I think you should maybe put that aside for a small amount of time and try instead to find and report some proof in the Bible of Jesus Christ being anything other than perfect, loving, peaceful and compassionate.

That would really get my attention.

It doesn't matter how loving you perceive him to be, Christians are far from loving, peaceful or compassionate. God never existed as you believe.

Evidence of this god thing's existence?

@vk4  Sure, right after you give me evidence He doesn't exist.

@GSD  Of course it matters. You can't do it, so you deflect. Jesus is perfect and without sin, the rest of us are not. Such uniqueness has a meaning and purpose.

Invisible pink unicorns exist, prove they don't..... pathetic childish evasion.

Humans inherited sin from Adam & Eve, Mary was human, Jesus inherited sin...Jesus not perfect.

Jesus is his own father thru rape of a child... stupid.