RANT ALERT sorry but I - Page 4

Freddy, at least you have a couple of things going for you, based on what you've written above--

1. Both you and the seller are in the US, even though you're in different states. That's a lot better than being a buyer in the US who dealt with a seller in Slovakia. If everything is as you describe, you need a lawyer, and you need to file charges against the individual in the state where the breeder has his business based.

2. A true 'well-known breeder' isn't likely to disappear from the face of the Earth, as has happened with buyers who purchased dogs from people who claimed to be big shots in the GSD world but were really just your average con artist.

If you're out of pocket over $40K on a dog purchase, you can contact the AKC, report the breeder, and provide them with whatever documentation they request from you. The AKC will investigate your claims, and will require a $500 deposit from you to file the complaint against the breeder and start the investigation; if the evidence bears out your complaint, you'll get a refund of the deposit, but if they find in favor of the breeder, then the deposit is forfeited.

 

 

Sorry but on the theme of this thred, I want to have a 'rant' at Freddy's

post !    Hexe's advice is, as usual, sensible and to the point, as is Susie's,

Freddy you should be guided by them ... but WTF were you doing breeding

with this dog ?  You don't know who he is, you don't think he is worth all the

(enormous) amount of money you paid for him, you knew you didn't have

his paperwork ... sounds like a PERFECT candidate as a Stud Dog.  ON

THAT BASIS ALONE I would take up your invitstion to call you the stupidest

man on Earth. 

How much research did you do on personal protection dogs prior to getting one? I assume that is what you bought him for.

You do not need to spend that much to get a nice dog. Heck, dogs sold to special forces don't even go close to that.

Why would you breed this dog not knowing any of his background? Why did you not disclose the lack of papers to the female's owner prior to breeding the dog?

Glad you love the dog, sorry you got played.

This is a joke, right?

Blitzen, I am hoping so.

Dear Nice Members , Who Responded To Me, There is an Old Indian Saying Never Judge a Man Until You Have Walked a Mile in His Moccasins. So, All Of You Helpful Posters, THANK YOU! To Address Those That Seemed To Take Jabs at Me --1) LET ME EDUCATE YOU ON SOMETHING YOU CAN GOOGLE FOR YOURSELVES! NO ONE CAN TRULY KNOW HOW THEY WILL RESPOND TO ANY SITUATION UNTIL THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN THE SITUATION THEMSELVES. THATS NOT ME SAYING THAT , IT IS A PSCHCOLOGICAL FACT BACKED UP OVER AND OVER AND BY MANY MANY STUDIES THAT PROVE THE SAME RESULTS EVEN WITH YEARS AND YEARS OF DIFFERENT TEST MODELS OF BEHAVIOR! I Was Shot 3 Times Rescuing Men in Combat , Who Were Certified by Multiple Miltary Trainers ,as Troops Ready For Combat ! My Team of Special Forces was The Point Team On This retaking Of A Village and We Did So, With 100% Combat Ready Certified Troops, Who Had Only Ever Been in Light Combat, And We Knew That Really meant Green Troops , But How Green They Were We Soon Found Out!!! They Were Truly untested in Real Combat ; But we're Certified To Be There on this Mission. When Things Got Hot as Usual I Saw Troops Puke, Pee IN Their Pants, Even Poop in Their Pants, But, Still MOST WOULD Get Their Job Done!!, But I also Saw That as We Moved In , That Quite a Few of Our Certified Troops had Literally Froze In Standing Position and Stuck in Place , and in A Standing Position, and Many of Them Were FROZEN From Shock of Noise and Concussion waves Of Explosions and So Much Activity in a Small Area and Certified Combat Experienced Soldiers Were STANDING UP AND Right in Front of Several Machine Gun Nests and Some were Standing Frozen Right Straight in Front of Enemy Combantants that were Shooting at Them and With The Bombs Exploding and were Going Off everywhere around Us All our Regular Troops( Not Special Forces) But Trained Troops and Certified Troops many Were Frozen in a From Shock of The Loud Defeafening Sound that also Caused Pulsating Strong Air Turbulence like a Hurricane Hitting You in all Directions Currents of Air in Every Direction and The Air and Sound Concussion of Multiple Constant Explosions ; Was Pushing The Air All Around us and That Made it Even hard , Just To Standup! This was Quite Scary To Troops Who Had NOT Ever Seen or Felt Anything like This , But Some LIGHT COMBAT and NEVER FELT Sound SO LOUD IT CREATED THRU THE Air in Waves of Air that Were Strong Enough To Knock You Down and Explosion Concussions and Sound Waves were Coming From Every Direction , Plus The Noise was So Deafening , That We Could Not Be Heard Yelling at Them To Just Drop to the Ground , We SO , My Dear HUNDMUTTER. , about Your Comments YOUR Comments and NOT ADVICE my Story Above PROVES My POINT , You Don't Know What YOU WOULD DO, in any Situation UNTIL YOUR IN THAT SITUATION OF THE MOMENT , Yet YOU Sternly JUDGED ME AND MY ACTIONS ( As If You Could Never Make a Naive , Hurt Decision That was an Error! You Made Those Comments about me With Nothing But Superficial Facts as That All I Wanted To Provide Until Someone Helped Me and Steered Me on How To Best Handle This Bad Situation. Hundmudder , If One Of Those Soldiers Had Been You Or Your Son above in My Combat Story, You Would Have Been lifetime Thankful I Risked My Life and Got Shot 3 Times To Save Your's or Your Son's BAD DECISION AND Even Thoughb it was Their Fault they were UNPREPARED FOR SITUATION YOU WERE IN, but,The Same as I Made a Mistake Here and Needed Help, You DOD NOT Help Me, You Mocked Me???Yes, I Know an Attorney Is Needed , But The People on This Forum Could help me On What To Expect, Where Attorney Would Start on Case ( Right Dog Given, Actual Proof Papers , Part or All My Money Back ? The People On This Forum , also Know What Has Happened In cases Similar To Mine and What would Be Considered The Categories of Fraud against me and What I Should Hope For as A Reasonable Outcome For Me With My Lawyer, Who Will Know How To Sue, But I Was Asking For Help on Where I Stood To approach This Situation Best and With Cases ANYONE ON HERE HAS HEARD OF LIKE MINE , SO , I CAN DECIDE IF SPENDING MONEY ON ATTORNEY WILL GET ME NOTHING BUT ANOTHER BILL , I Dont Need Nor Can I Afford TO BE JUST SPENDING MONEY ON AN ATTORNEY Right Now , AND Certainly Not Without, SOME HELP OR DIRECTION AND WHAT I WAS HOPING TO GET FROM THE FORUM HERE. Just Some Type Of General Guidance From An Experienced Breeder who Is Experienced Enough To Tell Me WHAT THEY WOULD FEAR AND WHAT LIABILITIES They WOULD WORRY ABOUT OR COULD GET HIT WITH or THE ELEMENTS THEY (as a Breeder/ Seller) Would Face if They were The Seller or Breeder if They Treated a Person The Way I was Treated , and pulling and Doing a Deal like What was Done To To me, if They Did a Customer That Way. WHAT WOULD WHAT Wand The ANYONE HELPING ME WITH EXPERIENCE ON HEREWas and What and The Fact That The Seller is an Active Participant of This Site hand WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE FACTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN MY WHOLE STORY! I WAS PLEADING FOR HELP NOT MORE BEING DUMPED ON . I SAID UP FRONT , I HAD A FAMILY SITUATION THAT HAD ME OFF TRACK AND WAS MY MINDS PRIORITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES THAT IS WAS VERY SERIOUS AS "MY MIND" AT THE TIME OF PICKING UP MY DOG WAS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN , ( That Should Jave Been a Clue as To the Gravity of The a Situation was Not a Child That Ranaway, A Child That was Sick , Nor Even My Children's Mother even Leaving me, But MUCH WORSE) AND IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES , YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DISTRACTED AS WELL,( You May Say Ypu would Not, But Until You Have walked That Path NO ONE EVER KNOWS HOW THEY WILL RESPOND! BUT, SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ABOVE ME IN LIFE , TO HAVE JUDGED ME BY FURTHER HUMILIATING ME AND TELLING ME THAT AS WELL AS QUALIFYING YOURSELF AS AN EDUCATOR WITH THE ABILITY TO AND THE CREDENTIALS TO DO WHAT I ASKED IN MY POST TO NOT SAY, AS I HAD ALREADY HUMBLED MYSELF TO THIS THREAD AS I ACTED STUPIDLY , BUT AGAIN, YOU DONT KNOW ALL THE FACTS , NOR DID YOU OFFER ANY HELP AS I ASKED AND INSTEAD ATTACKED ME FOR MY PROBLEM, When I Was Simply ASKING FOR HELP, and Help From Those Who's Purpose is Supposed To be To A Spot For Connections, Information, Communication and Helping Each Other In That Have a Common Factor In All Their Lives , Having a Dog. Being on Dog's Ownership ! That's The Organizationed I Joined, The Helping One, Not The Judging One , That Instead Of Help Or Guidance ( although Some Of You Dod Helas If Because I'm Not Just Naive But Also , My Error Makes Me Stupid, Since I Failed On My Purchase in Buying My Dog as I Did, and The Poor intelligence I Must have To Proper Dogs Ownership as A Result Of This Error, I Tried So Hard To Correct and Believe in My Seller/ Breeder. of , Because This Threads And Websites Sign up Rules and The Reason This Site Was Even Started ; in In it's Original Form To Help Dog People Learn about and From other Dog People and All Aspects Of Dog's and Dog's Oand Was to Have Dog Experts Help Other Experts and Other Members To Have a Knowledgable Base of Information To Enhance Information On Dogs and Dog Ownership AND WAS NEVER EVER SET UP TO DO Psychological Evaluations AS WAS Done about Me on Here Asking PLEASE FOR SOME HELP , in An Area, Granted I Should Have Been Better Educated , and Didn't have Enough Information ABOUT MISTAKES SOMEONE COULD MAKE IN A DOG DEAL. Stern judgement was Made About My ignorance, HOWEVER , Rather than OFFER TO HELP ME, Most Of My Comments were about My Ignorance or If I can Afford a Dog at This Price, Certainly I Could Afford an Attorney . So, Those That Took a Chunk Out of Me , and Hundmudder By Far The Worse , Really Some Offered Helpful Ideas But many of You Took Jabs at a Man asking For HELP, And Instead of Helping You Tirned My Story on Me and Began biting at Me?? You Did So Instead Of Helping Me , WHY? I Just Asked and Pleaded For Guidance From The Experts and DOG PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR HELPING DOGS AND DOG OWNERS?? Those People Who Responded To me With NO HELP, Amazingly Were ABLE TO NOT HELP ME, BUT WERE ABLE TO EVALUATE Me and My Intelligence WITHOUT , Really, Lnowing all THE ENTIRE FACTS of This Case , Nor Cared By The Hits I took as Being So ignorant or Rich?? I Said in That, Thread Yesterday , That You Wouldn't Understand My Actions Without Knowing The Heartbreak I was Undergoing at The Time ( and I Dod Not want To go into , But Since I'm So Stupid I will Share Some of That withbAny of You. Yes, , I Picked Up The Dog and The Time To Recover after a Family Situation I Did Not Explain But To Say it was A So emotional , I Could NOT get IT OUT of My Head , and So I Was Judged Without All The Facts on The Table, But Enough To See an Injustice was Done To me, That I was Pleading For Help FOR !!! My Thread Note QUALIFIED Enough about Me and my PURCHASE OF THE DOG , Should Have Provided Enough Information , Woothput Me Exposing Myself To The Seller/ Kenne and Enough To Get Some Good Help on Where Do I Start on My Dog Situation as Explained On Here on This Thread???? Sadly I had More Judgements about My Ability To Pay a Lot For a Personal Dog, I Must be Rich Enough to Hire an Attorney ( Which is True , I Do Need To Hire an Attorney , But I Did Not Just Write a Check Out and pay That Kind of Money For a Dog My Money Comes Hard and I Saveda Long Time For That Dog and Did Without things my Friends and other Families Had and For a Long Time To Save That Much Money, I Spent on Dog) How Could I Be So Dumb , To Think a Dog was Worth That Much? I was In Army Special Forces and Used K-9's Long Before it Was Known All The Great Military use of Dogs and All They Could Do , Like Jump From Planes and Climb a 12 Ft Wall , Take Down Enemy in Silent Attacks. ) So, I Knew What Those Dogs Were Supposed To be Worth and I wanted For Myself One Of Dogs. I wanted So Bad, I Saved For Years To get My Very Own Dog , Like I Had Used in The Military , I Handled Alot of Dogs , and Often In Special Ops , They Give You Your Targets , and You Get a Dog That is Mission Trained For What's to be Done, They Give You Your Mission Dog and I Have Used a Lot Of High Trained Specific Dogs Many Times As A SF Officer Protecting American Lives. One Comment Was My Story was a Joke , No Sir , This Story Is NO JOKE! (I Did Not Provide all The Details Not All The Details on Here Purposely as To Hold My Cards Until I knew What To Do or Tell an Attorney What To Go after. Yes, an Attorneys Can Sue, Where Does He Start ,?Attorneys Know How To Handle Suing and The Details of Doing So ; But Not The Exposures a Breeder / Seller Has and A Starting Point , Experts On here Could Have Helped Me On , Not Attacked Me . This Site is Full Of True Breeder / Seller Experts Who Can Save me a Lot more Money by Telling Me Where The Breeders Liablities are On This Thread Or I Can Spend a Fortune on an Attorney Trying To Figure Out Where and What To Go After , Experts Here Could have Made My Attorney's Fees a Little Cheaper Not Making Guesses at What We Should Be After in My lawsuit against Breeder / Seller and Liablities My Seller / Breeder ""Should Be Worried About"""
I EXPLAINED ENOUGH INFORMATION AND AS MUCH AS I COULD WITHOUT EXPOSING MYSELF WITH MORE DETAILS to The Seller/ Breeder Whom O Don't want To Know yet all The Info I have as I've already Been told , By Seller/ Breeder , I'm Lucky To Have Gooten What I Got!! I Could Have Written a Book To explain The Lengths I went To Solve This in So HOPING, I'd have a Better End Result and Prove , Their was No Chance In The World , I was Wrong, I was Scammed!
Ok, So Why Pay That Much For a Dog? I was Always Told That's What The Ones We Used In Special op Missions Cost and They Were Amazing. 2) I Saved Everything I Coukd For 8 1/2 Years To get a Dog like I Thought I Bought. 3) I May Be Dumb or a Joke, and All That Time Around Dogs I Should Have Seen it Right off The Bat, YOUR RIGHT BUT I LOST MY CHILDREN IN AN ACCIDENT AND WENT TO GET MY DOG AS A GET AWAY FROM MY HELL AND WAS NOT FOCUSSED ON DOG IN MY MIND , All I Could See while I was At the Kennel , My Gone Daughters Their Long Flowing Blonde Hair on My Daughters Heads, That is All I Will say on That, But That Hurt Doesn't Go Away Easily and Totally Envelopes Your Mind and 4) My Family Situation , I Discussed, I Said in My Thread was Bad, and Did Not want To Discuss , But That Pain made All Other Details All Around You are Dimmed. ). My New Dog I dreamed Of Owning and was, Buying That Dog made Me Think It Could Cover The Pain! Ok, Maybe , I am Dumb , But, After Seeing Hundreds of People Die in So many Ways in The Military, When its Your Own Children IT IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE PAIN AND IT Is Not The Same!! Your Heart Melts away as Part of it Dies With Them . So, Stupidity or Just plain Blind Because of The Hurt! Then Here Comes a Dog Just like What We Used in Special Ops, And I Needed That Dog as He Seemed Just like What I always Wanted and The Pain I had , Seemed to Get easier Thinking of having and Getting That Special Dog, Even Though The Thrill Had I Gotten The Dog I Bought instead Of The Switch , That Thrill left Quick and Would Have Even if I Had Gotten The Right Dog, The New Thrill, I was Hoping To Replace My Hurt , Didnt last Very Long!! But, It Can Blind You Into Seeing What You Hope You See Or Rather What You Want To See in Your New Dog , even if it's Not there, You Try To convince Yourself , it's Just Your Emotions and Right Them Could Care Less, Just want To get Home So You Buy any Story From Seller , if it Will Get You Home Quicker and Because You want The Hurt To Go away Somehow.!(
5)So, Now , You Know, and I Didnt want To Say it as My Breeder Seller is Big on This Site and I Didnt want to expose All I Have Collected So Far Yet and Thought I Could Get Expert Help Here , By Telling Most of The Details and Get a Starting Point Against this Injustice To me and My Family!
6) AS I WAS TOLD , WTF , Why Did I Breed Dog I Didn't know Background for sure of, I Did Not have The Proof Then I Have Now and I Told You I was Helping My Seller/ Breeder , That I wasn't Telling about, Well I'll Tell You , I Did WTF Because Breeder/ Seller Brought Females Owner To Me and Breeder Seller Did all The Promising Of Quality Pedigree Of My Dog and He Needed To Breed His Dog To mine. He then Told Me , He Worked Out The Deal and I Could Have The Stud Fee, The Females Owner was Giving Him Top 2 Dogs Of The Litter and Make Him Some Money and Me Too and it Would Be a Bog Favor To him and Once all The Paperwork Was Finally in, We Would Have A Breeding out There So Good, Others Would Be Paying Me Big Dollars For Use of My Dog as a Stud. So, WTF , I Thought I was Helping and Seller/ Breeder , The Females Owner and My Dog and Future Money,, In Addition , The Females Pwner Let The Seller/ Breeder Get His 2 Dogs Already , as He Believed Seller Breeder Too!! But Now The Dam's Owner Blames Me For Breeding and His 2 Lost Puppies and No Paperwork!! I Only let My Dog Mount his, I arranged Nor Promised Anything!!! So , As I Pointed out in My First Thread , I'm a Nice Honest person and So I Thought I was , So I Guess, in My Head I said Why Not! WTF as I was Told in my Responses , is Exactly What I was Thinking , WTF Not!!
7) I Took 3 Bullets In That Battle Desribed above Protecting 3 American Lives and I Did Not Hesitate To do it or Order my Men( Bone Who Were Wounded But Me, I was In The Lead at The Closest Men who needed To be Knocked Down!! It Took Me and My Men out of The Battle and I Took 3 Bullets, in My Men and Me trying To help Get Those Frozen Soldiers Standing Off Their Feet in That Battle FROM DYING FROM BEING SHOT STRAIGHT AT AND THEY WERE ALL STANDING UP BEING A HUGE TARGET !!! We Had To Knock Them Off Their Feet , So they Did Not Die Frozen in Fear and EVERYONE OF THEM CERTIFIED FOR COMBAT READINESS AND ALL OF THEM THOUGHT THEY WERE TOO, And They Were NOT! So You Should Never Judge What a Man Will Do or ""WHAT YOU WILL DO ""until You are in THAT MAN'S SHOES YOURSELF"""!! So, Maybe , Judging Me You Don't Know What Ypu Would Have Done in My Shoes On The Dog!!!

Ugh.

Freddy? Are you going to tell us who did this to you?

That was mentally exhausting to read.
Wish I knew what to tell you to help, but I don't deal with registered dogs so not much of an expert on fixing issues with papers.
Good luck.

Freddy, dear soul, I think a lot of people were really just hoping you were playing the 'troll' role simply because the reality that someone would do this to another person to such an extreme degree is beyond disgusting.

It sounds like you've had a really rough go of things recently, aside from this situation, but I'm not so sure it's wise to lay it all out on an Internet message board, where you have no way of knowing who's reading your posts and whether they'll try to find a way to use any of it against you in some fashion--what's to stop the breeder in question from 'advising' you under the guise of a screen name that doesn't identify them, for example?

I'm not too familiar with what's available to veterans, so forgive me if I'm totally off-base with this thought, but does the military offer any support services, such as legal aid access? I know the Federal Government offers their civilian employees referrals to attorneys, counselors and other supportive services through an Employee Assistance program; have you checked with the VA to see if they have anything like that for vets? If there isn't any thing of the sort available through that venue, it's been my experience that most State Bar Associations have lawyer referral programs that arrange for an initial consult with an attorney who specializes in the practice of the branch of the law in which one needs representation, at significantly reduced fee [like "$50 for an hour initial consult"-reduced], so if you don't like that attorney or don't feel they're the right one for your case you can reach into the referral pool and try another one before you select who you want to represent you. Contacting the Attorney General of the State where the transaction took place and filing an official complaint through that office is worth doing as well; it's possible there are other customers of that breeder who were similarly taken advantage of, and perhaps the best approach will turn out to be pooling resources with others in the same situation to pursue resolution of everyone's problems with this kennel.

I also think that people will be hesitant to offer advice simply because of the amount of money involved, and how complicated the situation sounds overall--from your description, it definitely seems like this became way, way more than just a simple purchase contract between a buyer and seller where the seller took your money but did not deliver the same dog you contracted with them for, and to be honest, I've read your posts multiple times trying to sort it all out and make sense of what happened, and I'm really no clearer on it than I was on the first reading.

I'm sorry you had such an unthinkable tragedy strike your family, as there really is no grief that submerges a person deeper than that which comes when a parent outlives their child, and it's certainly understandable that your abilities to discern that you were being taken advantage of, and whether what you were being told made any sense, while reeling from such a staggering assault as the loss of your daughters. Please don't take this the wrong way, as I mean no disrespect nor am I making any judgement about you, but perhaps a few sessions with a behavioral health counselor would help with organizing your thoughts and planning your next steps, to work with you on sorting the business part of the upheavals in your life from the personal parts, as I'm sure you know that you have to approach the business end of this mess like you'd approach a battle in the field--with a clear vision of what you need to do, and what it's going to take to achieve your goal, without letting the emotion of everything muddy the waters as you plan. Sometimes it's just easier to just verbally empty your 'mental dumpster' onto a stranger who's both being paid to handle all that refuse and is trained in doing so skillfully--we never want to burden our friends and family with the full pain we keep in those dumpsters, but with a counselor, that's exactly what they've being paid to handle for use...our emotional toxic waste, if you will.

I wish I could be more helpful and had better suggestions as to what steps you can and should take to resolve this matter, but unfortunately this is not the area in which my skillsets lie. I do hope you're able to prevail over the person who took advantage of you in your inexperience with the ins and out of buying and selling quality trained dogs and your quest to obtain the 'best of the best'; the type of person who can do something like that has no business being involved in dogs, as the animals are typically nothing but a commodity to that type of breeder.
 

Hexe, that is all really considered advice, and if the guy actually is genuine I feel sorry for his troubles too; and I hope he does what you've suggested. But something about all this sits wrong with me, and I can't help the feeling that he is a fantasist. All my internal alerts are signalling "Green Ink brigade"; most who have genuinely suffered do not turn that suffering into lashing out at others, whether that is other people, or their own animals. It was certainly unfair to the dog and the bitch he was mated to, and the owner of that bitch, to allow his feelings about the family tragedy to get in the way of his decisions at the time the dogs were MATED, which must have been at the very least a little time after the day he went to buy his dog. It is unreasonable of him to equate my mild scolding using HIS OWN TERMINOLOGY (and nothing else) with his war experiences. Way OTT.