Civil puppy yeah right.!!! - Page 2

 

Good post Gee total agree

 sounds the ( problem) is to find with the breeder.

I have seen too many of what people calling agressive.civil dogs
and then I see them in real life than I know enough end let this owners in there
own fantasy world they have to find out themself 

 

 Same what I see that promoting and marketing dogs above this page advertisements 10.000 $$

civil dogs,home protection badass  blah blah, I,m for sure most of this people

not even know were they talking about I wish i could test all that dogs myself and put all the videos here this would be an eye opener for some people....

Shawnicus I don,t know your experience in the dog world and what kind of training you do with your dogs.also I don,t know your pup  I wish you both 

all the best  and hope you together are a good team.

 

When do people understand that "Oldschool" DOESN'T MEAN UNSTABLE!

Seriously, a 4 month old puppy showing that much aggression towards strangers and other dogs, doesn't mean "oldschool asshole" it means unstable.

I know oldschool. We bred oldschool hard and civil dogs. If they had shown any of that, they would have never seen the light of day.
It's NOT how the German Shepherd dog is supposed to be and it's not something to be frickin proud of.

Shawnicus it makes no sense what u say a ppd can't be distracted from his job in hand. that is why every part of him must b environmental sound that includes his relationship with other animals weather it b a cat of a cow .other wise u have a dog that is in control of himself and his own will. Not a good good dog. I've heard this many time and most time the trainer is just bad at training and does not understand what it take to be a ppd . And will accept anything aggressive the dog shows as been good

the opposite is that many dogs sold as PPD today will apport a sleeve at best same as many sportdogs, yes KNPV is a sport as well, were full calm grips are the ideal, puppies hanging on a rag are looked at as being awesome, but many dont function out of the field of sports

as in everything balance is the key word and a dog without any civil or agression is good for sport at best but should not be sold for personal protection, patrol or policework IMO

over the top agression and dogs that are ON 24/7 are also not balanced

Weren't "oldschool" GSDs at one time the preferred breed for seeing eye dogs? That's the definition of a stable dog.

@Hundmutter, exactly. The first dogs to enter police and military service were not bred for that work. They weren't even trained in a way to prepare for that training. Yet, they managed to do the work they were later trained for in spite of not having to have been raised to be killers. How many of the first military dogs were originally family dogs? It doesn't sound like Shwanicus has a civil puppy as much as it sounds like he has a future lawsuit.

Too many sports oriented people here , some of the same people here swear their ipo dog is super hard blah blah and No doubt it is and Iam sure looks fantastic on a field against a guy with an arm sleeve whose no threat, might as well get a Labrador or anything that has drive.
I don't really know or care for what a GSD was suppose to be or meant for and I don't follow any guidelines, the creator of GSD ideal dog is irrelevant to my ideal dog.
I have my own style of dog and that's based on both my preference  and experience with both the military and Leo, both domestic and overseas.
If your top of the line fancy ipo3 super dog is walking down the street in a heel position and everyone's at wows by how obedient and well train he/ she is but all of the sudden you're approach by a I'll trained , nasty  mouthy angry schnauzer or something that's obviously has had no discipline or training and challenges you or the dog and your well behaved dog but your dog cowards and hides behind you cause you raised it/bred it not to not engage when threaten by a person or dog then to me that dog is a faulty dog and embarrassing inmo .. My ideal dog is neutral to people and animals , aloof but not overly aggressive but at the same time not something You can run up to and pet either .but if confronted or commanded the dog must show aggression and willingness to engage violently . ( that's not instability)
If your ipo super dog is a beast on the field but you leave it in the truck and come back from
The store and your crap is missing and the dog is sitting there with a dumb look on its face cause he's been taught his whole life he has to accept everyone and anything cause that's what's acceptable in society and aggression is BaD BAD then to me that dog is faulty and I would either give it away or put it down.
That mentality is why so few GSD today have such little to no real fight drive have lost their guarding instinct.. I've spoken to many long time breeders and trainers and all have confirmed that what you have nowadays is a Labrador that can bite, no sharpness , no hardness etc just purely a sport dog. exactly the case with dobes and rotties
 

Shawnicus,

Is this pup Cairo von bismack?

He's one of them.. If intetested I can share a video as an example

I have my own style of dog and that's based on both my preference  and experience with both the military and Leo, both domestic and overseas.
If your top of the line fancy ipo3 super dog is walking down the street in a heel position and everyone's at wows by how obedient and well train he/ she is but all of the sudden you're approach by a I'll trained , nasty  mouthy angry schnauzer or something that's obviously has had no discipline or training and challenges you or the dog and your well behaved dog but your dog cowards and hides behind you cause you raised it/bred it not to not engage when threaten by a person or dog then to me that dog is a faulty dog and embarrassing inmo .. My ideal dog is neutral to people and animals , aloof but not overly aggressive but at the same time not something You can run up to and pet either .but if confronted or commanded the dog must show aggression and willingness to engage violently . ( that's not instability)

 

​Shawnicus, you seriously have no clue what the hell you are talking about and I call Bullshit!