Litter Limits - Page 2

So TIG you think if he post his dog and it has the kennel name of the breeder then you will have found a way to put this breeder on the hot seat.

Why do you or anyone think that it is important to the topic.

The post is about how many litters is reasonable at one time or close together and what kind of setup do they have.

No names are needed.  This board had a history of bashing others. 

OP if you want the breeders name on here ASK them to post to your Topic, that is fair.

Again no names are needed unless they are the ones posting.

I'm pretty sure I know who the breeder is. It doesn't take much work - look at a poster's threads, pedigree creations , modifications and comments and a bit of cross checking on google and anybody can do it.

Yes the kennel name is germane to the discussion. You are presuming the breeder will be bashed. Why? Could it be that even you harbor a dislike for someone breeding 4 bitches at once and suspect most other people would to. The reality is by removing the link YOU have prejudged the person.

The reality also is w/o the link he posted we are all guessing and making up hypotheticals when there is some small chance there was a good reason or reasons for doing what they are doing. One of the good purposes that PDB HAD was the ability to let the GSD community - especially those new to it- know of questionable breeding practices or of breeders, sellers, brokers or even owners who were/are outright frauds. That has been lost to political correctness as so much else in our society has been. We are in need of clear courageous communication that states the hard truths especially when we are also talking about the welfare of our animals.

The reason the green party in Europe and the animal rights folks in this country have gained so much power is because we do NOT in general speak out about questionable or outrageous matters involving our breeds and their welfare. I saw a post recently about universities not allowing "disturbing" ideas on campus because students might feel offended and thought OMG that is the purpose of universities or used to be anyway to be a place where "disturbing" ideas could actually be promulgated. At it's best PDB was a university allowing the free flow of ideas and discussion about our breed - the past present and future. Not any more!

I will confess to my own prejudice. There is only a very small handful of commercial breeders that I respect and would refer someone to. The vast majority of commercial breeders are in it only for the exploitation of the breed and the money that can line their pockets. What kind of breeder the OP is discussing is unknown because we are not allowed to determine that for ourselves since you feel you must protect some unknown person. IF that person is in the BUSINESS of selling multiple litters of GSDs at once it IS incumbent on this community to consider the affect on our breed. Is this person a steward of the breed or an exploiter? Unknown because we are not allowed to have a true discussion take place. There is a reason so many of the original serious thinking members of the board have left or come very infrequently. Eventually it will also affect Oli's business because when there is no serious discussions allowed on issues that affect our breed and the only members left are blowhards and newbies there will also be no need for page views and ads.

There also were questions not asked directly in the original post but there anyways - which were omg did I buy from the wrong person , do I have a good dog, have I unknowingly supported an exploiter of the breed? The OP has a right to the answers which again require the identification of the breeder. It was to these questions I directed my request for a pedigree because what you might say or encourage with one dog is often better left unsaid with another and while I may think I know who the dog is - I do not in FACT know, a fact denied to me by you. Do I take it we can no longer post the links to our own dogs???

Hey Tig  you may be better educated than me or older and smarter but the name of any breeder is not needed to answer the question asked by the OP        Which is

 - and ask our forum breeders- what's your opinion on the number of litters or better- the number of puppies, one can (should?) correctly raise at a given time?

 

 

In response to the OP's original question--if a breeder is only planning to have four litters within a year, and their bitches tend to cycle together, I don't see any problem with having them closely together IF:

--the breeder has sufficient facilities and resources to do so WITHOUT shortchanging any of the bitches on whelping areas & conditions, exercise, etc., and without having to cut corners on vet care, or start fundraising to cover the bills should any of those females have a difficult delivery...

AND

--the breeder has enough time [or a large enough family and/or cadre of visiting friends] to see to it that all the puppies get a good amount of handling and socialization and stimulation from people.

I can understand why someone might choose to do it that way--for example, it's generally easier to whelp and raise a litter in the summer than any other time of the year [in the US], and if the aforementioned criteria can be met, then it's a great plan. Or maybe you're a breeder whose primary profession is as a teacher, so you're off from work for the summer...better to have the litters come then, if I were in such a position.

Don't know who the breeder is, so don't know if any of that applies or not--but the bottom line is that a shitty breeder can do as bad a job of raising a single litter as they can do raising multiples. The key is for the breeder to set the bar high for their standards of maternal and puppy care, and to strive to go above and beyond that bar if possible.

I staunchly believe in the right of free speech, even the right to post sanctimonious caterwauling dribble. I also believe that a private entity, like this site, has the right to set and enforce policy. When said policy results in censorship, I will uphold their right to enact it. However, the consequence of that action severs my desire for any further participation or support. That includes registering my dogs with this database and so, I’ve deleted my listings.

I’m sure there is a lot of combined knowledge available in this site’s forums. Culling useful information from it proved difficult. So, I’ll look elsewhere.