Todays generation - Page 2

 20th Century Church Atrocities

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  Catholic extermination camps
  Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
  
  In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
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  Catholic terror in Vietnam
  In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
  
  Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
  
  The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
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    "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....

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  Rwanda Massacres
  In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

Is this preaching love?

 

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Now lets compare the writings of the N.T. and the Quran.

By the way the title of my post is Todays generation. Cant help what was done 1000 years ago,

most people were not allowed to read the word of God on their own then.

 

   gouda

 The teaching os Jesus--

 

 

The teaching of Mohammad-

Start the ball rolling GSDadmin.

Oh so we bury those atrocities and only deal with those of today. Cherry picker. The word of God, oh you mine the word of man.

You called me a bigot, you sir are exactly what you called me and worse. How many Christians label people? I know you do watchless man.

 

The crusader were not born again christians,they were sort of a

soldier of fortune partly payed be the Catholic church.

The Catholic church also was not Christian according to the word of God,

and not much better today.

 

Okay buddy Ive been here  for around 5 yearsYou've attacked Christianity the whole while.

You neve ever mentioned the Muslem faith the Quran,or any of their activities.

Are you afraid to mention the muslem faith? You sure arent afraid to mention and

attack the Christians.

Could it be that your fear is what keeps you from telling the truth or warning the masses?

Are you afraid the the Muslims might attack this web site,or come after you?

You know I have a certain amount of fear in me,Iv;e had a few threats.

but all in all my Christian brothers and sisters,and my faith in Christ is stonger then my fear.

I have a word for people like Travels and you --- CHICKEN SHIT.

 

   Your friendly watchman

 

Because you are here being xenophobic on an international forum. Don't post your watchless man non-sense and you will never see me on one of your threads again.

You think you have all this support here but you don't even the Christians have begged me to ban you. So, now your Christian faith is allowing you to label me as chicken shit. I have a label for you blind faith. So, blind you are a bigot and you can't even see it. Not all Muslims(spelled correctly) want to kill you just like all Christians in the past didn't want to kill but both your religions commanded it. You are a fool gouda a total utter fool.

You see our opinions as attacks, when they are not.  I've never attacked Christianity, I've stated strongly that I think it has no place in government and no place in our secular laws, period.  I easily dismiss your claims and you consider that an attack.  If you want to live by the tenets of your church's teachings, I have no problem with that at all.  If it's what helps you get through your days, have at it, be at peace with it.  But don't shove it down my throat and don't push for society at large to live by it, that's where you cross the line.  Islam is not discussed because Islam is not being forced on the rest of us.  If and when they do, I will call out their hypocrisy just as I call out yours.  They are of the same cloth, part of the same Abrahamic religion and they both use intimidation, lies and deceit to force others to accept it and when that doesn't work, they use violence.  I will not accept it and if you don't like that, tough!  You're the one that wants a holy war and I will laugh in your face every time, don't involve the rest of us in your insanity and you'll never be insulted again.  Keep it in your heart, your home and your church, where it belongs.  You are the one attacking, so don't try to turn it around on us.

gouda is running the "not a true xian fallacy" . he writes off the bulk of human populations's action for the last 1500 years as not true xians compared to his 2 week old religion.

this;

"The Catholic church also was not Christian according to the word of God and not much better today."

 

you would not have the "word of god" if it was not edited, compiled, published by the catholics you idiot. catholics created xianity AND the bible.

gouda only posts to get his daily dose if xian persecution, he cant live without it.

 

this hateful senile fool is an embarrassment to xianity and all the good Christians that do so much to spread peace, love  and hope.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/08/02/duty-to-warn-the-bombing-of-nagasaki-aug

 

  gouda

Friendship evangelism is NOT recorded in Scripture. Remember, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. Use the "Law" to resist the proud as Jesus did. The "law" is the teacher! It points its cold, chilly finger at sin. When we say, "All have sinned"... the unregenerate sinner says, "I agree, so what?" If you, along with a group of others, are caught by the law vandalizing a neighborhood, it won't matter how many lawbreakers are with you, you will still be personally guilty. Once the law has done its work on a self-righteous person, then that person is ready for the cure. Then and only then will the cross of Christ no longer be foolish and we will see results.
gouda