Do Dogs and other Mammals have Morales - Page 2

Hundmutter, part of the issue is this: so long as we continue to assess other species against our own signposts, we will always find those other species lacking in the traits we so loudly claim as being what separates and elevates Homo Sapiens from and above other animals.  To expect another species' sense of ethics to be demonstrated in the same manner as our own is further evidence of the obscene level of arrogance we foster within our population.

Granted, Hexe.   But what is "moral" about eg co-operation, when its an end to a means ?  IE  the

aquisition of food, generally .  (BTW  I've only seen the kinds of studies described in the vid centred on

food, never on housing/shelter, for example - and I think the reason for that is the scientists don't

set themselves and their experimental animals up for failure.)

I do not deny that empathy, cooperative endeavour and tool-use exist, anymore than I deny the

existence of animal 'languages';  I even think dogs have a sense of humour.  However,  show me

an experiment that suggests even the 'higher' mammals will 'campaign' (in some NDVA manner ?)

for all of their troupe / pack etc to never go to bed without a roof over their heads - something I as a

human being believe that it is ethical to do - and I will accept the concept of animal 'morals'.

I noticed the way De Waal quickly dismissed the 'lower' animals, reptiles etc, too - one wants to remind

him that nobody bothers to do these sorts of experiments [yet] with those;  there's probably no money

in it,  and certainly the affections of the public would be less easily captured.  I wanted to slap the

audience laughing at  the funny monkeys !   I'd also like to remind him to look a little lower still, at the

cooperative abilities of bees and ants.  Anyone want to bet on them knowing Right from Wrong ?