What do you fear if Hillary gets elected? - Page 13

GSD admin:"To say the founding fathers believed in equality but they were hypocrites who didn't practice what they preached, would be more accurate. So, we just set free gays and transgender folks, yay we finally have liberty. Get real Hans, saying the founding fathers believed in equality as long as you were white and male would be even more accurate. Your point here is asinine given our history of discrimination. Give me rude and ignorant all day over stupid or drunk. Funny I go off PC for one second and I am rude and ignorant, lol, fuck you, how is that for PC?"

 

Hans: It is ignorant to say that in Bill of Rights did not say that "all men are created equal" and because of that the slavery could be eradicated in US. Remember USA did not start slavery , slavery at that time was basically standard all over the world but USA ended slavery of it's own accord.  That is what I am  proud of and  your self hating America- basher attitude is sickenning. ..    You can not measure past cultures by today ethic. THAT  is also ignorant. At the time of the founding of the Republic in 1776, slavery existed literally everywhere on earth and had been an accepted aspect of human history from the very beginning of organized societies.   Yale historian David Brion Davis in his definitive 2006 history “Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery in the New World” notes that “colonial North America…surprisingly received only 5 to 6 percent of the African slaves shipped across the Atlantic.” In other words, when taking the prodigious and unspeakably cruel Islamic enslavements into the equation, at least 97% of all African men, women and children who were kidnapped, sold, and taken from their homes, were sent somewhere other than the British colonies of North America. In this context there is no historical basis to claim that the United States bears primary, or even prominent guilt for the depredations of centuries of African slavery.

 

 Slavery in US involves only brief periond og it's history. The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution put a formal end to the institution of slavery 89 years after the birth of the Republic; 142 years have passed since this welcome emancipation. Moreover, the importation of slaves came to an end in 1808 (as provided by the Constitution), a mere 32 years after independence, and slavery had been outlawed in most states decades before the Civil War.  Why ? Becuse this country , thanks to their founding fathers, always understood that ALL man are created equal. 

 

 While America deserves no unique blame for the salvery , the USa merits special credit for it's rapid abolition.   In the course of scarcely more than a century following the emergence of the American Republic, men of conscience, principle and unflagging energy succeeded in abolishing slavery not just in the New World but in all nations of the West. While the United States (and the British colonies that preceded our independence) played no prominent role in creating the institution of slavery, or even in establishing the long-standing African slave trade pioneered by Arab, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and other merchants long before the settlement of English North America, Americans did contribute mightily to the spectacularly successful anti-slavery agitation.  Why because of of belief of founding fathers that ALL MAN ARE CREATED EQUAL. 

 John Adams and Benjamin Franklin both spent most of their lives as committed activists in the abolitionist cause, and Thomas Jefferson included a bitter condemnation of slavery in his original draft of the Declaration of Independence.

JEFFERSON'S   original draft of the Declaration of Independence describes  African bondage as “cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life & liberty” and described “a market where MEN should be bought and sold” as constituting “piratical warfare” and “execrable commerce.” Unfortunately, the Continental Congress removed this prescient, powerful denunciation in order to win approval from Jefferson’s fellow slave-owners, but the impact of the Declaration and the American Revolution remained a powerful factor in energizing and inspiring the international anti-slavery cause.  THAT IS BECAUSE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED THAT ALL MAN ARE CREATED EQUAL. 

Witrh help of http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2007/09/26/six_inconvenient_truths_about_the_us_and_slavery

Yep, my ancestors who were slaughtered by fun loving liberty to all drunk christian morons, forgive you. I love America way more than you as my people came here way before your liberty loving equality seeking genocidal manics showed your stupid faces on this continent. Please crawl back in your hole of a site because while you think you know it all in my book you know nothing.

The offcial end of "slavery" was not the beginning of "equalitiy"...

just google "Jim Crow Laws"

and

"Separate but equal" / "Plessy vs Ferguson" 1896
"Cumming v. Richmond, County Board of Education" 1899

 

 

The "Civil Rights Act" was in 1964,
"Voting Rights Act" in 1965

Susie ending slavery was a step to equality in US started by founding fathers who immortalized such efford in Bill of Rights. I do not believe we are there yet. But we are heading in the right direction. 

GSD Admin I have nothing to be forgiven for. I, nor my ancestors, have not slaughtered anybody . I will be the first one to admit that American Indian got the raw deal. No need to be vulgar either nor hateful. It does not do   any good.

Prager, I have maybe hated once or twice in my life. The strong words have been used because you are way wrong about this. And us being adults I think it is fine to use some swear words. If you can't handle it just read past it. I honestly believe the founding fathers were very hypocritical about liberty and being created equal, we all aren't perfect. We all aren't there mostly because of rightwing Christians.

It's not just slavery and the Indians that are at issue when it comes to "equality" but there is also the treatment of women. Of course we should judge people based on historical context but context does not change reality. In this case reality is the fact that the Bill of Rights did not apply to everyone and we can't say for sure that it was ever intended to.

"Equality" within the "Bill of Rights" during that time for sure excluded not only slaves and Indians, but women, too.

And I guess "we can say for sure" that it was never intended to apply to "everyone" during that time.

Way to go...

 

Ratification of the 13. amendment:

Delaware 1901
Kentucky 1976
Mississippi 1995 ( ratified 2013 because of a mistake ? )

 

All of us are the result of history, society and education - right now we count 2016 pm, as a woman working in a traditional "man" job I still don´t earn the same money as a man, although I do the same job...

When, where, why and who da Slaves ?

That's debatable. lol

One can argue we are ALL currently "slaves" and while some people continue to support it.

Either way, America knows whos who.... Sooooo we accomplished something in the past 15 years.

Debatable? I guess a real slave is pretty well aware of the difference...

WE are able to leave...