royalties for titles - Page 12

What spin? Blitz, you want opinions and insight but you want it to line up with your wishes? prejudices?

prejudices? is that to pre-judge?  I think you knew exactly what I meant.

Oh everyone honors the officers and their dogs, but how many GSDCA members are lining up to breed to these dogs?

Thats the crucial difference.

Honoring isn't enough, we need to capture their genetics and keep them in the gene pool.

BZCS  My point is that the best police dogs are rejects from sport. Considering that the breed is working breed then if the IPO is all encompassing test  then how come that the best LE dogs are rejected from such test. the only answer is that the test is flawed as a test for working dogs which that is what GSDs are. .

I'm guessing not many, but how many working line people are using them? I hope their owners are collecting them and freezing their semen in case their value is recognized in the future.

Susie you are wrong German police separated in 1999. Today things may have changed but I doubt that they changed for the better of the breed. Germa police in honor of SV  used to compete parallel with Bundessieger trials and I quote: ....in a year (1999) is the 100th anniversary of the SV. It is also the last time the German Police will hold police dog championships at the same time and place as the SV Bundessieger (Schutzhund championships). This is a break from tradition and not an insignificant fact. It is, in effect, confirmation of the on going decline of the working ability of the German Shepherd Dog.

 Below is a complete article. 

http://leerburg.com/99bundes.htm

Prager Hans

Well now this thread has come full circle. bzcs has just advocated breeding to non titled dogs. I,ve got 2 dogs from my breeding in police work and and 4 females from the last litter certified S&R dogs thru FEMA and 2 are cross titling in IPO.  Thats what i call  real working dogs but that is me and my kennel blindness. I again you can find good genetics on a chain in a back yard and even at the local pound. Look at all the well breed dogs being surrendered now a days perfect example of the wrong people getting what they want not what they need.

I didn´t talk about trials, and you pretty well understood what I said, you are not dumb.
For everybody interested, my last post on page 5.

Blitzen  and BZCS no not may and that is the problem for the breed. Rejected by sport and not recognized by breeders as breed worthy as LE dogs. I always do or try to retain breeders rights on certain quality dogs I sell to LE . To me to breed sound LE dog is the highest grade of breeding. Quality way surpassing sport titles. . Many LE do not care for registration or for registering their dogs though,... thus that put a damper on such effort. 

 Prager Hans

No Bob, you are misunderstanding me.

I said a working police K9 should be a valid title.  All else follows logically from there.

Fema and S and R would not qualify for breeding.  Not that it isn't a valid job and I don't disagree that they are working dogs, it's that they are single purpose (scent only) working dogs.  The GSD is supposed to be multi talented, not just a tracking dog so those wouldn't qualify for breeding. 

Does that help to clarify my position?