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by Red Sable on 25 December 2011 - 14:12
All the best with your puppy Eddy, would love to see pictures!
by hexe on 26 December 2011 - 01:12
by trixx on 26 December 2011 - 01:12
Hexe, i do not know this breeder but have heard alot about them.
i was talking about the breeder in Appleton that has this litter. the guy live somewhere by Appleton.
well, i did not know the breeder has a few different kennel names , well thats not good.
no phone number????????????
i do know he has changed his kennel name a few years back , i bet they had complaints, also the other female has major allergys and he still breeds her, i know this for sure.
have a look at there past litters there is a breeding that the female ( the other female) was bred to her dad, i mean what idoit does that, it was the other female. from jerland kennels.
i also know that this breeder tryed to blame the stud dog of a past litter for the pups having worms , what an idiot. i dont think he knows much about breeding. oh just how to make money and yes his prices are way over price, if you ask me.
Red Flags are very high on this breeder-
and Titan Mittelwest, well i would never buy a pup from him , i did see him when he got his VA1 and the fight her started with another male at the show , talk about bad temp. and the judges just turn there heads , so thats what i think. do not believe that this dog should of been VA1.
it was all about who has the most money ..
and i know i am not the only one that seen Titan at the show do this..
if i was looking i would never buy from him. i know good breeders, sadly there are not very good ones here in wisconsin.
Eddy,well if you are happy with a pup from this breeder great for you, i hope you had the chance to see these pups and the mom. i have not heard anything good about them..
good luck
by trixx on 26 December 2011 - 01:12
oh i should also mention that i have not heard much about Khloe, so not sure if she has any problems. she may not , i just know the other female from Jerland kennels has severe Allergys. and the breeder does not think this is a problem.
i also dont like that this breeder in appleton does not do anything except for hip cert. i feel that all breeders need to prove there breeding stock in some kind of work. dont you???
by hexe on 26 December 2011 - 05:12
by hexe on 26 December 2011 - 05:12
by trixx on 26 December 2011 - 06:12
Hexe- i know this stuff about this breeder as a friend of mine had dealings with him, she said he was not right up stairs. and she would never say anything bad about them. ( out on the internet)
well i will say , yes temp can be enviroment or could be gentics, i was there and i can tell you titan took a dirty bite at the back of that dog, they were gaiting in the ring and titan was the first dog and the other dog was the last dog in line. it does not matter where the dog is at , why should he act like that. Mittelwest have some bad temp dogs , but it could be enviroment, but i will never know.
i did not see him go after the handler, but i did hear about that.
i know if i was looking for a stud dog i would not use a stud that try to go after a dog or person , i would be very picky about temp and i know i would not take the chance.
i was offer a dog , but he will bite strangers so i turn him down, i just cant take the chance, i know body language and know how to work with a dog with most any type of problems, but i have kids and lots of people come here so will not keep a dog that has a bad temp.
everyone has there own oppion- thanks mine
by trixx on 26 December 2011 - 06:12
by hexe on 26 December 2011 - 09:12
Whoa-whoa-whoa...I never said there was any sort of shortage of dogs with super temperament out there! But there's a HUGE difference between a dog that shows aggression toward other dogs, and a poor temperament! When I mentioned the retired dogs and bitches, I wasn't suggesting that these were animals of weak or poor temperament. The ones that were OK with other dogs of the opposite gender--these tend to be very, very confident animals, very sure of themselves and very conscious of their status within the world...and pairing them up with another dog of the same character AND same gender is likely to create a competitive situation where we, as the owners, would prefer there not be such. Ditto the ones that need to be an 'only dog' as an unkenneled housedog--we're looking at a breed that bonds very closely to their person, and with that bonding some degree of jealousy and competitiveness is inherent as well...combine this with the confidence that a sound-temperamented GSD is meant to have, and then add in the fact that these dogs, more often than not, are NOT housed in social groups but rather are individually kenneled--and many of them aren't even permitted to engage in any play with other dogs because their handler fears the dog will 'lose focus' and prefer the company of other dogs to the handler...and you've got a wonderful recipe for dogs that don't play well with others. But none of that is evidence of poor temperament!
Remember, this breed was not developed to work in packs, like the hunting dogs, or in teams like the Northern breeds--the focus was them working with their person, or independently as they tended the border of the sheep graze. At most, there would be one other dog working with them--and strange dogs weren't something they were supposed to welcome into the graze, but rather were to be driven off before they harassed the sheep.
As for what you've described as a 'dirty bite', again, since I wasn't there, I'm not in a position to judge what triggered it. I can tell you that my rescue dog, who I consider to have a good temperament, will do the same thing to my bitch when they're out in the yard and he's chasing her, and she wheels back around and runs past him--because he can't keep up with her or turn as quickly, and his prey drive becomes overstimulated from the frustration...so he tries to grab her. They're predators by hard-wiring, after all, and as much as we'd like them to be furry little people, they're never gonna be that.
I put as high a value on sound temperament as I do on sound structure and health, but to label a dog as have a bad temperament on the basis on ONE situation is extremely premature, and overreaches by miles. Now tell me that same dog has attacked or attempted to attack other dogs on a number of occasions, in various settings (not just when amped up in a competition), and I'd agree that the character is faulty. One instance, though? Doesn't qualify as a temperament 'issue' by any definition.
by eddyhdy on 27 December 2011 - 15:12
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