by hexe on 09 June 2021 - 01:06
But, I submit that 100% of dogs do eat the feces of other species--deer, sheep, goats, rabbits, cats, chickens, geese, horses, cattle...just about any variety of fecal matter other than that of canines, if given the opportunity to do so.
by hexe on 09 June 2021 - 02:06
by ValK on 09 June 2021 - 10:06
if you read food packages, probably you will find all those and more ingredients as well. difference only is QC which is more strict for our food and thus less or not at all added useless filler.
secondly, when you buy for dog even lowest quality meat, you are sure that that a meat. do you really think dog food industry uses meat as they put it in list of ingredients on packages?
dogs lived next to human for at least 20 000 years and seems they didn't suffer due to absence of special dog food. with introduction for mass consumer of the latest seems only the decline of health in general dog population happened, beside fact that dog owner start to collected more shit in their yards due to inability of dogs to digest all those fillers in their food.
by Rik on 11 June 2021 - 20:06
but SS recently lost a BFF at maybe 13 or 14 y.o. (I'm not going to look it up) so IMO only that's a pretty good, long life for a GSD. whatever she did or fed seems to have worked fairly well.
my last and final one was 11+ and never a sick day in all the time she was with me, but when it happened, it was very fast. She was never fed anything but Purina, sometimes raw chicken or beef added in if she was showing.
by Hundmutter on 12 June 2021 - 03:06
Depending on the sort of 'human diet' being referred to, there can be a good chance any dog will get lucky and get a reasonably balanced diet just sharing (correct amounts) of his peoples' meals. But how many people do we / you know of, especially in this day and age, who are not too poor so they are just living on basically rice / casava / whatever; or richer, but not that rich within the parameters of their surrounding society - or who are just comfortably off but entirely stupid - who rely on vast and frequent amounts of junk and ultra-processed foods ? They may do so for cost, or speed, or just out of ignorance, but eating take-away or pre-cooked all the time isn't really good for them, how can that be good for their pets ? How many cook from scratch on a daily basis, using fresh proteins and veg, avoiding too many carbs / starches / sugars; constantly make and eat wholesome soups and stews and roasts, and salads ? Personally I think I have a reasonably good, mixed diet, but even then I admit I don't cook properly every day. [Nor, actually, do I intend to start now !]
Yet lots and lots of modern people own dogs, even when they do not have proper access to better food supplies and cooking equipment. That has to severely decrease the chances of all dogs getting an adequate diet if the pet foods industry disappeared tomorrow.
As to longevity, more of my personal GSDs, and the dogs I've been responsible for caring for, lived into double figures than dogs which did not. Those which died 'early' (i.e. pre-ten yrs) all had some serious problem, haemangiosarcoma and the like. None of them ate Human or Raw.
by ValK on 14 June 2021 - 00:06
by Hundmutter on 14 June 2021 - 03:06
ValK, the reverse can be true, though - you can certainly shorten a dog's life by making it ONLY eat scraps and rubbish, and not enough food. Because that will have an effect on overall health.
by ValK on 15 June 2021 - 16:06
that was my point, when i said "basic nutrients in food is similar".
think for moment about - you do give to your dog 1lb of real meat vs. you do give to your dog 1lb of processed food in which protein ingredients only 20-30% and remaining stuff is just to fill necessary for 1lb volume.
i don't want even to touch such weir topic as a food allergy in dogs, who default by mother nature is a scavenger.
by Hundmutter on 16 June 2021 - 02:06
But Valk that's true of any poor quality processed food, doesn't matter if its human or kibble. Not all processed dog foods are the same. If owners are prepared to research (plenty comparison sites online), and pay for, the better kibbles on the market (rather than grab the cheapest multi-coloured dog product as they go round the human supermarket) then dogs' diet is NOT being badly served.
Pre the processed kibbles industry, the much vaunted war-time feeding of pet dogs and cats, which relied on leftovers from a sparce human diet - through which many animals survived, but we probably should regard their health as not truly comparable with modern ones - certainly did not normally equate to dogs regularly being fed "1 lb of real meat". In keeping any animal, you get out what you are prepared to put in. Owners not able / prepared to set aside sufficient funds to properly maintain a dog, no matter what sort they feed, probably should not keep dogs.
by ValK on 16 June 2021 - 16:06
there are no any quality dog food which come close to be equal to even low quality human food.
the pound of processed dog food, absolutely equal in content to real meat, would cost more than just typical meat because processing will include added value.
you don't believe that even boutique dog food companies, who usually claims to make superior product, producing and sell it with losses, aren't you? :)