Romney's latest goof up - Page 9

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/is-obama-to-blame-for-4-gasoline/

Nothing on there about the coal shutdowns or blocking the pipeline. How can an analasys be complete without all facts. The pipeline is not against his no drilling as the oil will come from Canada, so why is he against an oil supply that will give millions jobs, bring revenue, and is not being drilled in our country? The only possibility is to keep us dependent what we are already doing which is high gas prices and no jobs.

This whole thread has no subject.  Romney didn't goof.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/09/18/cnbc_poll_75_agree_with_romneys_47_comments

"No, the poll isn't scientific, but it is an indication of the media running with a narrative opposite of what the country actually believes...again."

Just the comment of the Keystone line putting millions of people to work only tells me you know nothing about pipelines. Pipelines  are not heavily manned. They are set up in spreads where rig hands will come in and weld out double joints, fabbed in Canada by private contractors and shipped in for installation. This is not just sweet crude pumping liquid oil. It is oil soaked sand superheated to get it to flow. abrasive as grinding compound, and high maintenance.

Pipeline maintenance is shoddy at best as usually original contractors only want the cream. The liability is a big problem.

If jobs were a concern, the United States has thousands of miles of lines that are over 50 years old, repaired with clock spring patches that are in desperate need of repair. California is booming for pipeline work, that should have been done 20 years ago. Why haven't there been new refineries built. You don't suppose they were put to rest to keep gas prices up?

Hank

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2851401/posts

while crued oil production is up (private wells) becasue the cost of crued is up (capitolism), that actual number of permits given to drill new wells is way down and the time to get a permit is much longer.

Sitasmom, I was born in Asmera/ Eithiopia/Eritrea so that video link sure caught my eye lol





People get jobs for the building of the pipelines, money comes into the contractors that get the bids, companies selling the materials for the pipelline get more money into the economy and jobs for people to sell and trasport the materials, The oil is coming to us to use our refineries which gives even more work to the areas the refineries are in. Clearly I do know it will improve the economy. My husband has been in logistics and material handling for production for over fifteen years. One pebble of the pipeline would help out millions from construction, refinment, vendors, sales, and more. Ripples have greater trickle down affects not even being touched on here. I consider it more of a help than to hand freddie mac/ fannie mae, banks, and car manufacturers money to be absorbed into the upper staffs pockets and for promoting foreclosures and loss of jobs.

Rand Paul  - - - the elections is already won......

Has Ron given the torch to his son, and now retiring?

Ron is a man of his word, he said he would retire, so is Rand now the spokesman for the Paul family? Is this Ron's way of letting his people know that its OK to vote for Romney?



http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/20/rand-paul-i-think-the-election-is-over-i-think-that-romney-has-already-won/

Please understand , I'm not against pipelines. I am a retired pipe welder and worked pipelines since 1969. i'm just saying Keystone is a bad bet. Support for the projects do well, some, not millions do better. It's the long term liability that sooner or later will cost. Then who does better. Have you read any contracts concerning the material, oversight, for the project. I've spent to many years waiting for these big projects to cure all our countries ills, but it never has.

Hank

So to hell with the environment and to hell with global warming. Yes I know there are many who don't believe that that's happening or an issue. And by golly let's keep the space biz going so we can find another world to move to and screw up. Yep let's just kill everything on this planet we have to have cheaper gas to drive bigger vehicles and make sure there is not only anything left for the next generation but for the ones after that. Yep that's the ticket. Because the majority of the people in this country have the "I want it right now" attitude--the future means little.

Good post Hank and very true about the rigs, pipelines, etc. Within 5 miles of where I live you can drive and see rigs in pastures and not only are there not thousands of people working on them, there are none. Once it is up and pumping it just needs to be checked on. And no one is saying get rid of coal, they are just saying we hav e to use it in a different manner--back to the environment.