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by GSDtravels on 14 November 2012 - 06:11
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 06:11
GSDtravels,
Mutations are the original source of variation in populations. I agree mutations happened, no question… But mutations do not produce evolution, mutations scrambling up existence generic code; they are not making anything new.
Example there was 5-legged bull that is the mutant, there is no new information added, he already had information how to make a leg, he just made one in the wrong place, that’s all. It’s not new information, it is scramble information. Another example shot legged sheep, again, no new information; by the way it’s not beneficial.
Evolution is dead, the theory is “defunct” there is no evidence to support it, but some of the followers are pretty dedicated, and have hard time to let it go.
Evolution is based on two faulty assumptions.
Number 1, they say mutation makes something new, that was never been observed…Number 2, natural selection makes it survive and take over population. Evolution is actually religion of death, in order to evolution to work; one animal evolves little better than the rest, what must happen to the rest to make this thing work? They got to die or else new improve gene swamp back into the gene code. The question is so simple and profound, did man bring death into the world like the Bible says or did death bring man into the world like evolution says… Somebody is wrong!
Mutations are the original source of variation in populations. I agree mutations happened, no question… But mutations do not produce evolution, mutations scrambling up existence generic code; they are not making anything new.
Example there was 5-legged bull that is the mutant, there is no new information added, he already had information how to make a leg, he just made one in the wrong place, that’s all. It’s not new information, it is scramble information. Another example shot legged sheep, again, no new information; by the way it’s not beneficial.
Evolution is dead, the theory is “defunct” there is no evidence to support it, but some of the followers are pretty dedicated, and have hard time to let it go.
Evolution is based on two faulty assumptions.
Number 1, they say mutation makes something new, that was never been observed…Number 2, natural selection makes it survive and take over population. Evolution is actually religion of death, in order to evolution to work; one animal evolves little better than the rest, what must happen to the rest to make this thing work? They got to die or else new improve gene swamp back into the gene code. The question is so simple and profound, did man bring death into the world like the Bible says or did death bring man into the world like evolution says… Somebody is wrong!
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 08:11
That is why there is no evidence of transition from monkey to human, because you would need added information to gene code for evolution to work.
And so people lie, like example about Lucy.
Here is my old post.
The full proper name is Australopithecus Africanus Lucy… Donald Hudson found Lucy in 1974. (Ethiopia) He had gone there with a grant to look for missing links, somebody gave him some money - said here, go find missing link if you don’t find one – no more money. Two weeks before his grant money expired he discovered Lucy. (Highly motivated I suspect) that would be suspect by the way in the court of law. Lucy was three feet tall; it is obviously chimpanzee of some kind, the bones of the scull was crushed thoroughly, could not tell anything about the scull, but when they put it together for your kids text book, they make it half human and half ape, they name it Lucy because they were listening to a song, Lucy in the sky with Diamonds, great popular back then, which by the way have initials LSD which must be on when they found this thing.
The knee joint that was labeled Lucy knee in national geographic was actually found mile in half away (1.5m) and 200 hundred feet deeper. The national geographic labeled Lucy’s knee, it’s not Lucy knee, its mile and half away (1.5m) for heaven sake okay. There is quite quarterversary about that knee joint still, but the knee joint is the best evidence they have Lucy was becoming a human; because an ape has a lower and upper leg in the straight line with each other, the human leg goes up to your knee and angles off to the side because your hips are wider than your knees. Lucy knee is angle off to the side (the Femur angled) and Donald said see that proves she is becoming a human. No, any monkey climbs trees has an angled femur, what he found is tree climbing monkey, its not proof its becoming a human. He said well the bones are slightly bigger than a regular ape, well that is true, but that doesn’t proof it becoming a human.
The bones of a Clydesdale are slightly bigger than a regular horse; it doesn’t proof it becoming a truck for heaven sake okay. What he found was a heavy duty chimpanzee and probably pre-flood chimpanzee and everything was probably more heavy duty, if they are living longer and much healthier, that’s all they found. We have big horses and little horses today by the way. St. Louis Zoo put human feet on their Lucy display, not one feet bone or hand bone was found, not one... Every other Australopithecus has been found has curl toes. Professor David Menton in Washington University said the statue is a complete misrepresentation, it’s a big fancy word for lie, I prefer smaller words – it’s a lie. The Zoo director said; Zoo officials have no plans to knuckle under. We cannot be updating every exhibit based on every new piece of evidence. We look at the overall exhibit and the impression it creates. We think the overall impression this exhibit creates is correct. So you would lie to kids coming to your zoo just to get an impression across to them that the evolution is true, you mean your theory is more important than the facts; that is exactly correct, they will lie to the kids going through science and zoo just to make them believe this evolution theory.
And so people lie, like example about Lucy.
Here is my old post.
The full proper name is Australopithecus Africanus Lucy… Donald Hudson found Lucy in 1974. (Ethiopia) He had gone there with a grant to look for missing links, somebody gave him some money - said here, go find missing link if you don’t find one – no more money. Two weeks before his grant money expired he discovered Lucy. (Highly motivated I suspect) that would be suspect by the way in the court of law. Lucy was three feet tall; it is obviously chimpanzee of some kind, the bones of the scull was crushed thoroughly, could not tell anything about the scull, but when they put it together for your kids text book, they make it half human and half ape, they name it Lucy because they were listening to a song, Lucy in the sky with Diamonds, great popular back then, which by the way have initials LSD which must be on when they found this thing.
The knee joint that was labeled Lucy knee in national geographic was actually found mile in half away (1.5m) and 200 hundred feet deeper. The national geographic labeled Lucy’s knee, it’s not Lucy knee, its mile and half away (1.5m) for heaven sake okay. There is quite quarterversary about that knee joint still, but the knee joint is the best evidence they have Lucy was becoming a human; because an ape has a lower and upper leg in the straight line with each other, the human leg goes up to your knee and angles off to the side because your hips are wider than your knees. Lucy knee is angle off to the side (the Femur angled) and Donald said see that proves she is becoming a human. No, any monkey climbs trees has an angled femur, what he found is tree climbing monkey, its not proof its becoming a human. He said well the bones are slightly bigger than a regular ape, well that is true, but that doesn’t proof it becoming a human.
The bones of a Clydesdale are slightly bigger than a regular horse; it doesn’t proof it becoming a truck for heaven sake okay. What he found was a heavy duty chimpanzee and probably pre-flood chimpanzee and everything was probably more heavy duty, if they are living longer and much healthier, that’s all they found. We have big horses and little horses today by the way. St. Louis Zoo put human feet on their Lucy display, not one feet bone or hand bone was found, not one... Every other Australopithecus has been found has curl toes. Professor David Menton in Washington University said the statue is a complete misrepresentation, it’s a big fancy word for lie, I prefer smaller words – it’s a lie. The Zoo director said; Zoo officials have no plans to knuckle under. We cannot be updating every exhibit based on every new piece of evidence. We look at the overall exhibit and the impression it creates. We think the overall impression this exhibit creates is correct. So you would lie to kids coming to your zoo just to get an impression across to them that the evolution is true, you mean your theory is more important than the facts; that is exactly correct, they will lie to the kids going through science and zoo just to make them believe this evolution theory.
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 09:11
GSDtravels,
What we are talking about is Macro-Evolution; changing from one kind into another, so please don't confuse with Micro-evolution which is variations within kinds.
BTW, Micro-Evolution in reality is not a genuine evolution – all it is - variations between same types of creatures, any creature produce within its kind or maybe with minor or some little changes. Bible says: Animals will bring forth after their kind; that’s all they ever do.
Shtal.
What we are talking about is Macro-Evolution; changing from one kind into another, so please don't confuse with Micro-evolution which is variations within kinds.
BTW, Micro-Evolution in reality is not a genuine evolution – all it is - variations between same types of creatures, any creature produce within its kind or maybe with minor or some little changes. Bible says: Animals will bring forth after their kind; that’s all they ever do.
Shtal.
by GSDtravels on 14 November 2012 - 11:11
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 11:11
Hovind wrote from the past article: For all of human history we have observed variations within the kinds such as 400± varieties of dogs coming from a dog-like ancestor such as a fox or a wolf. Dogs produce dogs and corn produces corn. There may be great variations within the basic kind but that is NOT evidence that dogs and corn are related! Every farmer on planet earth counts on micro-evolution happening as he develops crops or herds best suited for his area, but he also counts on macro-evolution NOT happening. Anything other than minor changes within the kind is not part of science. Evolution as defined as macro-evolution is a religion in every sense of the word. People are welcome to BELIEVE, but they are not part of science or common sense.
by GSDtravels on 14 November 2012 - 12:11
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 12:11
GSDtravels,
Here is the example for you.
If you work in the factory that makes cars, suppose you work in quality control, your job was is to check the car when they are got done building it, you know kick the tires, slam the doors and drive it around – see if it runs…If you caught every single mistake, they don’t by the way, but if you did okay. How long would it take that quality control process to change the car to an airplane? You would say quality control could not change to something else. Oh I know that. Only design engineers could change it, and God natural selection is a quality control that will never change to a different animal. You would just make sure you will get a good animal. That is all.
Here is the example for you.
If you work in the factory that makes cars, suppose you work in quality control, your job was is to check the car when they are got done building it, you know kick the tires, slam the doors and drive it around – see if it runs…If you caught every single mistake, they don’t by the way, but if you did okay. How long would it take that quality control process to change the car to an airplane? You would say quality control could not change to something else. Oh I know that. Only design engineers could change it, and God natural selection is a quality control that will never change to a different animal. You would just make sure you will get a good animal. That is all.
by Shtal on 14 November 2012 - 13:11
BTW, if you will be open minded with Macro-Evolution since you believe it took place way before men walked the earth, how do you deal with equilibrium problem in earth atmosphere.... Since you agreed here.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=663318-interesting-article&pagen=3
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=663318-interesting-article&pagen=3
by beetree on 14 November 2012 - 13:11
I see everyone is only interested in discussing the "facts" they are most comfortable with, the one's that best fit each others well-worn POV's.
Even Moons who bleats on about "throwing away the Book" and claims to be looking for original thought, proved uh, uh, that isn't really what he wants to talk about at all!
So, you don't want to play with me, fine, no skin off of my nose. I know, I know! I have a winning argument that you aren't prepared for, and it is kind of funny how you all had to high tail it to another thread. And then have to come back here to whoop Azz on Shtal, again. It is such fun sport, I agree. Been There Done That... even got the T-shirt...
My favorite part is where Moons switches moods on BE4U. I could see that one coming a mile away.
Just wish GSDGuy08 finds his way back on OT, says his computer or something with the site won't let him in, for some reason. I really got the feeling he might have had an opinion with some intelligent thought behind it, not a: My definition is better than your definition so you--- don't know squat; incredibly boring-gets-no-one-anywhere, argument.
It would be refreshing, I thought, to actually talk about the real facts that do exist concerning good vs. evil. And how we get ourselves to one side or the other. Wrong-O, was I. I'll tune out the familiar yapping with no one listening to each other, until someone says something I haven't heard them say before.
And I'm still on my first cup!
Talk about LMAO.
Even Moons who bleats on about "throwing away the Book" and claims to be looking for original thought, proved uh, uh, that isn't really what he wants to talk about at all!
So, you don't want to play with me, fine, no skin off of my nose. I know, I know! I have a winning argument that you aren't prepared for, and it is kind of funny how you all had to high tail it to another thread. And then have to come back here to whoop Azz on Shtal, again. It is such fun sport, I agree. Been There Done That... even got the T-shirt...
My favorite part is where Moons switches moods on BE4U. I could see that one coming a mile away.
Just wish GSDGuy08 finds his way back on OT, says his computer or something with the site won't let him in, for some reason. I really got the feeling he might have had an opinion with some intelligent thought behind it, not a: My definition is better than your definition so you--- don't know squat; incredibly boring-gets-no-one-anywhere, argument.
It would be refreshing, I thought, to actually talk about the real facts that do exist concerning good vs. evil. And how we get ourselves to one side or the other. Wrong-O, was I. I'll tune out the familiar yapping with no one listening to each other, until someone says something I haven't heard them say before.
And I'm still on my first cup!
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