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by ggturner on 23 November 2013 - 16:11
If he (Gouda) would listen and be open to learning, but I fear his mind is closed on such matters.
by gouda on 23 November 2013 - 16:11
Maby you should ggturner,there is a possibility that you have a closed mind,and your the one who should
learn to listen.
Why not give it a try,that's mostly the way I do my Bible study.
You say Your right and Im always wrong.
Are you not now the self righteous one ,that you accuse me of being.
If you dont know how to reply to this,you can always ask Carlin to do it for you.
Have a nice evening Maam
gouda
learn to listen.
Why not give it a try,that's mostly the way I do my Bible study.
You say Your right and Im always wrong.
Are you not now the self righteous one ,that you accuse me of being.
If you dont know how to reply to this,you can always ask Carlin to do it for you.
Have a nice evening Maam
gouda
by ggturner on 23 November 2013 - 18:11
Gouda, it is very sad to see your negative remarks towards others. You have resorted to lashing out. Sorry for you.
by gouda on 23 November 2013 - 19:11
but I fear his mind is closed on such matters.
YOU ALSO WROTE THAT I WAS SELF RIGHTEOUS.. So are you not now saying negative thing about someone else?
You and Carlin keep doing the same things that you;s condemn me of.
gouda
YOU ALSO WROTE THAT I WAS SELF RIGHTEOUS.. So are you not now saying negative thing about someone else?
You and Carlin keep doing the same things that you;s condemn me of.
gouda
by Carlin on 23 November 2013 - 19:11
Gouda - you are the only Christian here who refuses to listen and learn, displaying a teachable attitude, because you apparently believe you are above reproach, or somehow superior to the rest of us who do not behave in such a way as assert that their own theology necessarily supersedes that of anyone and everyone else regardless of scripture -that, is self-righteous indeed.
by gouda on 23 November 2013 - 20:11
I do not take lightly who teaches me. And you sir are one that I WILL
NOT BE TAUGHT BY.
I cannot and will not trust a person that talks behind peoples back
through P.M. The Lord warned me about you from the beginning.
You can laugh all you want,but I,M STATING A FACT.
What about that joke about the Vagina that you posted a couple
of days ago {1234} and you really think I would allow you to teach me?
I have been taught by The Holy spirit,and by spirit filled men.
THE MEN THAT I LET TEACH ME DON'T TELL FILTHY AND STUPID JOKES.
p.s. My wife seen the post,and asked if you had any respect for your wife.
gouda
NOT BE TAUGHT BY.
I cannot and will not trust a person that talks behind peoples back
through P.M. The Lord warned me about you from the beginning.
You can laugh all you want,but I,M STATING A FACT.
What about that joke about the Vagina that you posted a couple
of days ago {1234} and you really think I would allow you to teach me?
I have been taught by The Holy spirit,and by spirit filled men.
THE MEN THAT I LET TEACH ME DON'T TELL FILTHY AND STUPID JOKES.
p.s. My wife seen the post,and asked if you had any respect for your wife.
gouda
by Carlin on 23 November 2013 - 21:11
Gouda- stop crying. In case you haven't figured it out (which is entirely possible given just how quick you are), I really couldn't care less what the perception is of what I post. What does that mean for you? As I have said, whatever I have held back, I have done so for either your own good, or the good of the others. If there is anything else you'd like to know, just ask.
Vagina's? Really gouda, grow up. Every other one of us has one, and we all know it. If you're not comfortable with that by now, add it to your long list of unresolved issues. It is clear that you do not hear from God regardless of how many voices rattled in that head, so spare me and everyone the "God told me's...". Who couldn't come on here and claim they had some sort of divine revelation? Guess what, if you weren't so demented, you may recognize the change in the way you view your buddy since he evidently doesn't agree with your behavior either. Wake up. Anyone who doesn't share and participate in your sick dream is apparently of the devil. Yet, you wonder why you are universally considered ignorant and self-righteous. Twisted.
Vagina's? Really gouda, grow up. Every other one of us has one, and we all know it. If you're not comfortable with that by now, add it to your long list of unresolved issues. It is clear that you do not hear from God regardless of how many voices rattled in that head, so spare me and everyone the "God told me's...". Who couldn't come on here and claim they had some sort of divine revelation? Guess what, if you weren't so demented, you may recognize the change in the way you view your buddy since he evidently doesn't agree with your behavior either. Wake up. Anyone who doesn't share and participate in your sick dream is apparently of the devil. Yet, you wonder why you are universally considered ignorant and self-righteous. Twisted.
by Shtal on 26 November 2013 - 00:11
Shtal, I know what you mean and you are wrong!,,God is not the gentleman that you suppose,,I am really tired of modern Christianity making God out to be politically correct in nature. Christ does not politely wait for some inclined individual ( sheep or pig lol ) to come to the divine conclusion that thy are in need ,,. On the contrary, God saw the need, provided for it, and applied it convincingly and absolutely to His people..I am posting you a video since I think you enjoy communicating in this fashion and I know I can not explain it any better then a Dr. in Theology can,,,I know you will benefit by watching it and the rest of the videos in the series.,,,
Thanks for the video's
I do want to learn the truth!
And this is how my interpretation stands of the word of God. When wicked being at any point of his/her life comes to God, asking forgiveness from all of its heart, God will grant such privilege, meaning forgiveness and grant salvation from “sins” as it talks about in (Matthew 1:21) for he shall save his people from their sins…It doesn’t says anything about granting them the Kingdom of God. That said, once you accepted Lord Jesus as a personal saver, and with your “interpretation” Ruger1 you would not agree with me on this one that NOT every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God. And you would say what Shtal??? You see, you can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God. These verses below will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God. I just wanted to remind you my same old, same old post, the reason for it Ruger1, my foundation still stand as it is. I respect your knowledge and interpretation Ruger1; but somebody is wrong, we can’t be both right. So let us just leave this subject as it stands since lol God knows how many debates, discussion we already had in the past on this subject.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs aide for survival.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church, sinner had to be betray (delivered) to Satan in order for this human to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul didn’t worry about their salvation that much as opposed to what he did with the fornicator “this man”.
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevent them for their salvation, but it did prevent the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can be saved without sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows you cannot (Simply not Possible)...
Thanks for the video's
I do want to learn the truth!
And this is how my interpretation stands of the word of God. When wicked being at any point of his/her life comes to God, asking forgiveness from all of its heart, God will grant such privilege, meaning forgiveness and grant salvation from “sins” as it talks about in (Matthew 1:21) for he shall save his people from their sins…It doesn’t says anything about granting them the Kingdom of God. That said, once you accepted Lord Jesus as a personal saver, and with your “interpretation” Ruger1 you would not agree with me on this one that NOT every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God. And you would say what Shtal??? You see, you can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God. These verses below will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God. I just wanted to remind you my same old, same old post, the reason for it Ruger1, my foundation still stand as it is. I respect your knowledge and interpretation Ruger1; but somebody is wrong, we can’t be both right. So let us just leave this subject as it stands since lol God knows how many debates, discussion we already had in the past on this subject.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs aide for survival.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church, sinner had to be betray (delivered) to Satan in order for this human to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul didn’t worry about their salvation that much as opposed to what he did with the fornicator “this man”.
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevent them for their salvation, but it did prevent the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can be saved without sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows you cannot (Simply not Possible)...
by Ruger1 on 26 November 2013 - 02:11
Shtal...I am certain one day you will see your error,,,:)
by Shtal on 26 November 2013 - 03:11
Hopefully vk4 won't jump the guns into this thread with his BS as usual.
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