Wise Words - Page 2

LOL....putz.

I will say I'm still wondering about those two comments.

First of all, who threw God out of school, when and how? 

Who,
the people,
how,
the law.

dunno when as in a date in time.

Ninja, I know you think catchy bumper sticker sayings are cute, but do you realize the full impact of the moralities involved in this particular post?  If so, please detail them.  Red Sable posted the exact same picture on another thread and I called her on it.  She didn't want to engage in the exchange, so I didn't push it.  If you'd like to, go for it, I'm snowed in, I've got all day :)

The first part of the t-shirt, is a clever adaptaton using the query of the innocent child who questions the obvious: the disparity between a loving God and the atrocities we all witness in our daily life. It is an age old, ongoing, theological discussion.

The second part of the t-shirt refers to the the separation of church and state, how something that started out with the idea to have the freedom to worship as one chooses, has swung to mean "freedom to worship or not", and a rigid adherence in the belief that the two shall never meet.

It just started snowing ping-pong balls here! 
LOL

No point in arguing the point as both sides are not going to budge.
Moons is right about the who and how.
The when has been going on for some time now, but it it really began when they took prayer out of schools.  In the 60's.

One of your politicians (wish I could remember his name!) did a blurb on this and I thought he spoke quite eloquently, although I'm sure you folks would not think so!


Saw this, and I think it holds true for many of us, me included and no I'm not laughing.

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.
Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says.
Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God.
Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged.
Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week.

Are you laughing?

I'm not going to belabor the point  but the shirt makes perfect sense to me.

Happy New Year!

No, actually Moons is wrong-------> completely wrong.  Forced, led prayer was taken out of the public schools by the Supreme Court Justices, who were enforcing the separation of church and state.  Since the court ruled as such, the plaintiff was not the one who had the prayer removed, but was the one who held the schools accountabe for abiding by the common laws.  How does this stop any individual from praying on their own, if they so choose, as long as they are not disruptive?  And following this same logic, God is only with you while you are praying?  Really?  That's contradictory to everything Christians claim about their God.  NO?

So, what you are all saying is that the Christian God would not be with a Christian child in a different country, in a school that follows a different religion?  Why would your God abandon children as punishment for the school obeying common law?  Do you really want to go here beetree?   You want to talk morality?

I assumed you thought more of the God you worship, but then...

This God hates abortion, but kills living, breathing, loving children as payment for moral debts they never incurred?  Wow, why would you worship such an evil entity Ninja?

 Why would your God abandon children as punishment for the school obeying common law?  Do you really want to go here beetree?   You want to talk morality?
 

That sentence is quite confusing to me. I am sure I don't agree with any of it.  

Travels, I have no problem with a discussion on morality so, go where ever you please. Just don't do the above type of rewording stuff to make a point. If I have to spend all my time correcting the spin... the issue never gets discussed.

I will paraphrase what I did say, and that is, the original ideas have been corrupted to avoid one extreme state of circumstances, into what is now, another extreme state of circumstances. i.e.. Opening prayers and grace are now replaced with "moment of silence".  It would be more "normal" to just acknowledge there is a time for an inward focused fortification, take the moment to embrace it and if it is called "prayer" to one person a meditation to another, then so what harm is it! Humans, as a species have an intrinsic need to seek the "WHY?"  Why else would this topic be fought so fiercely all the time!

Statues with religious themes embodying the first laws of justice are debated as unacceptable, no matter the beauty or skill of the artwork. Is that not extreme, too? Shouldn't it just be another view point? 

No, it shouldn't be another viewpoint, this is law.  Viewpoints beong in the realm of one's personal life.  Why is that so hard to understand?    Common laws deal with facts and that what we adhere to when it come to passing law.  There have actually been a couple of instances that I've read about that brought some Christians around to the reality of what it is that they're asking and what the implications can be when things don't go their way.

I will attempt to find them and post the links if I can, but I do remember the main gist of both.

One school was giving out free Bibles and a few parents complained.  It was brought up at the next School Borad meeting and the board unaimously decided that since there was no cost to the school, they wouldn't deny it and after allr there was freedom of religion.  They then stated, to be fair, that any religion was welcomed to do the same and in that way, they were being inclusive.  Until ------> a Pagan parent sent a box of free literature.  The School Board decided that no free literature could be handed out in school from that time forward  And if I'm not mistaken (which I could be), an emergency meeting was called to decide said matter.

The second was about a man who was staunchly in favor of school prayer and couldn't understand the harm.  Then he move to Hawaii and his child attended a school where a religion other than his own was being pushed in the school.  He suddenly understood what it felt like to be a concerned parent who was different than the majority and his child was being indoctrinated into a religion other than his, Christianity.  He did a 180 and is now a major proponent of the separation clause pertaining to school prayer.

I will dig and see if I can find them, but I can't promise.