how to prevent mass killings - Page 15

The first thig that needs to be done to stop these mass shootings is to understand the true source, the USG corruption behind it.  The best and quickest sources of information for those who dare to learn and have an open mind are the following videos.  For police officers that think they know how the real world operates, few actually do.  Here is an oportunity to learn from the experts:  These are irrefutable facts and have been cross validated in a federal court of law.

Chip Tatum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_JeDhmo8lI

Kay Griggs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACjYEiHrOeg (three more parts for those who might be interested)

A proven way to stop these school attacks.  Has been successfully used for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MXykP30_aE

I'm not going to watch You Tubes that can be made by any talking head with the right equipment. I don't have the time to surf for rebuttal vidoes, but they are available. I dare say that I could find a You Tube link to confirm anything I wanted from"proof prositive that the world is square" to "local woman has baby sired by a wolf".

Once again -

1.Why do people want or need semis, magazines that fire off many rounds without reloading, hollowpoint bullets? . I'm not looking for a debate about what those weapons can or can't do, just asking a simple question - why does anyone want them? To look at, to touch, to smell, shoot targets, protection, hunting, investments? What place do they have in today's society other than to satisfy personal desires?

2. What's wrong with those who want them to have to apply for some sort of "special" firearms license that allows them to have a warehouse full if they want as long as they can qualify?

3.Why should literally anyone be able to go to gun shows in certain states and walk out with a firearm without first being vetted?

4. Why can't we ever have a discussion about firearms without having some who can't get past - THEY are going to take away our guns rhetoric. Who are THEY? 

Does anyone honestly think that the 2nd ammendment was intended to give the unreported wife beater living next door the right to own a Bushmaster without applying for a "special license" to own one?

THINK..................

 Chaz.

Semiautomatic guns are handy if your shooting tree rats. You don't have to take the time to recock before pulling the trigger, so you have a better opportunity hit the target. Same goes for hunting large game. If you make a bad shot and only wound, having to recock the gun is lost time. So, semi auto do have value in the hands of sane people. They can mean the difference between food on the table and going hungery.

Blitzen, I do think the victim of the wife beater has a right to a gun loaded with hollow points, to stop the bastard in his tracks.

Why shouldn't i as a law abiding citizen be able to own it period. 

Here's a thought: If we're not going to make it harder for people to acquire weaponry that can kill a vast number of people without having to stop and reload, and we're going to lean toward EVERYONE who wants one to be able to get nearly any type of gun, then I propose that all states do away with the 'concealed carry' permit, and require everyone to carry their weapon right out in the open, where we can all see it.  For those whose premise is that the more armed people there are, the less likely criminals will be to try something, that should be right up their alley--no reason to guess if I'm armed, Mr. or Ms. Lawbreaker with Deadly Intent, 'cause yep, you can easily see that I AM. For those who would rather see some revision to the present laws--aka 'gun control'--we'd also have the comfort of knowing who was armed, too, in case we wanted to give them wide berth.

FWIW, every member of law enforcement I've ever known beyond just a passing acquaintanceship has pointed out how very, very difficult it is, even for THEM, to actually draw down on another person, even when it's been clear their own lives were in danger.  Ditto for anyone I've ever spoken with who saw combat action on the ground, where they could actually SEE the enemy.  And both have also spoken of the trauma doing so caused THEM, bad enough if they only drew their weapon and aimed but not fired, worse if they fired and wounded, and indelible when they fired and killed--no matter HOW awful the person was who they aimed at or shot.

If trained professional law enforcement and soldiers have difficulty drawing and firing on someone, what makes any of you 'self-protection' advocates think you'd be able to even pull the trigger, let alone hit what you were shooting at? 

I don't have an answer as to how to prevent these events. I do have some thoughts as to what could help reduce such incidents, though.

I DO think that better access to mental health care would be helpful, but a return to the days of 'warehousing' the mentally ill isn't the right route either--THAT'S what 'those bleeding hearts' objected to, because that's what was being done, and it was NOT an acceptable or humane way to treat another living creature of any species, let alone another human.  Tied to their beds, drugged into stupors, and abused by those charged with caring for their needs. THAT was what the objections were about--that, and the rampant misdiagnoses being made, where people with learning disabilities were labeled as 'retarded' and locked away without any effort made to find ways to compensate for those problems so the person could become a productive member of society.

I DO feel parents need to teach their children that tormenting those who are weaker, are 'different', 'weird', or otherwise not like them, is absolutely unacceptable, and will NOT be tolerated under any circumstances. Instead, parents make excuses for their obnoxious, over-indulged spawn, defending them when they pick on other kids, bully and mock and psychologically torture them...and the schools do nothing, either. 

I DO think anyone purchasing firearms should have to undergo a psychological evaluation before they get their first one, and they should have to be re-evaluated periodically, too--you have to renew a driver's license periodically, but not a license to have weaponry? WTF?   

Oddly enough, I DO agree with Moons as far as 'raise your own children'--I think a good deal of the problems have some relation to the break-up of the traditional family structures, where the children were watched over by another family member [grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc.] if both parents had to work outside the home. Now, the kids get plunked down in a day-care center or after-school program which is most likely staffed by minimum wage employees who have no other marketable skills save for knowing how to change a diaper. Not ALL child caregivers fit that description, to be sure, but far too many of them do...  I can say without question that I know I SURELY would not have done well having to undergo 'forced socialization' with a large group of other kids in a day-care setting before I reached school-age; I don't think it does other kids any benefit, either. They just learn how to bully the weaker ones at an earlier age.

There's a lot that we don't know about why these people 'snap' and go on these mass killing rampages, and I doubt we'll ever really know the full 'why' of it, nor will we be able to accurately predict the 'who', either.

Oh, and the 'all my guns are under lock and key' thing? Big deal--so the person kills you, and then takes your key[s], and opens your gun safes.  Better those safes have combination locks, and only you know the combination.  And I did find it interesting that someone--Ninja, was it?--noted that all his guns were locked up in his safes at home, because he was at work, and only he has the keys; so basically, then, if your wife and/or kids are home, and you're at work, they're on their own with just the dog for self-protection? The guns are only for 'self-protection' when your 'self' is there to be protected/protecting?  That doesn't seem right...

As for the government coming and overtaking the citizens, so we have to stay armed to the teeth to fend them off, puh-leeze. If that's what they intend to do, they won't do it by force...they'll do it by subterfuge. Much less messy that way.

 Hexe.

Hexe, that was an excellent post and I do agree with what you said. Just one thing , as far as who could actually pull the trigger when aiming at a bad person intending to harm them? You mustn't underestimate human survival instinct in ordinary people. There are frequent accounts here in the south of women shooting and wounding or killing lowlifes who thought they had found an easy mark.