Any news on the Bartmess case? - Page 13

Sueincc FYI.
every freedom has its limitations. Even you could maybe grasp that concept. They are generally defined as actions endangering others. Like screaming Fire! in the theatre.  Those are exactly my limitations on my forum. Janice did not do any such thing on my forum. She was talking about dogs with reverse mask and she had brought good points to that discussion. As a matter of fact I have not even known at that time,  that it was her until it was pointed out to me. When I have found out, I have let her say  that those particular statements since they did not endanger anyone.  Her being a scum back is not related to her opinion on reversed mask. If she will start being scumbag on my forum and defend her despicable ways then I will adequately disagree with her and let her know what I think of such behavior. I have done it there before and I will do it again. I know that principles of freedom confuses some because they dictate that you need to allow people to say what ever they want even if you disagree with them. That is the hard part in the Freedom business.  To shut someone up because you disagree with them is not what freedom is all about.
Also it is funny how you used the sophistry and twisted Ayn Rand statement. It speaks volumes.
By the way, I do not pet myself on the back. I am just stating my beliefs about freedom and liberty, which anybody who knows me are as I have described. I have risked my life for those principals, thus if you think that my explanation of my believes is petting myself on the back then,... think about this,... maybe I am petting the scar which I have got while living in communism. Who knows? :)
Prager Hans

Thanks Hans. Great answer to all the questions. Not.

HAns you do not have the concept of freedom. You are not allowed to say what you want in private business. You are confused on freedom of speech. A person does not have the right to say what they want outside of the government telling you you can't say something. Not a private business taking comments off their site.

If you feel that then stay off the internet, Facebook, Google, yahoo, twitter and any site on the net deletes things and why should Hans use something that these great companies have limited freedom of speech on.

Matter of fact, the company that makes your forum limits what can be said on their forum. All internet places that allow comment use the delete button sometimes. Matter of fact do not do business with any company they all limit freedom of speech.


LF-What about that dream you told the whole forum about-you know the one you woke your husband on? lol. A bad liar.

You are the one who has problems grasping things, Prager, that or you are just  a hypocrite.  You spent months here pissing and moaning about how having mods violated your right to free speech, but you have rules in place on your own board governing what people can say or can't say.  You're right, there are limitations, but you don't get to decide what's ok to limit and what's not, and you don't get to pass judgement on mods who have rules limiting what people can say or not say on this board, because you do the exact same thing.      

This has nothing to do with any knowledge Janice may or may not have about reverse masks, how to beat the shit out of dogs or keep them in tiny little boxes (bonsai kitty has nothing on her).   How about Josef Mengele?  If he  were alive and kicking and wanted to post to your board, you would be fine with that too, right?   

Ruger1
 Since  you are asking I have not say Hi Janice, I love the way you treat your mother and your dogs. I love that you are asocial misfit and please come and post here.

 I do not know what she does and what you do or what anybody else  does. We all do bad things. I do not know what she did to her mother except what I have read just now here and some what others  have send send me. On my forum  I have said that we need detailed and well documented opinions like the one she posted on my forum. I have not known at that time that it was her. Nor did it had anything to do with her opinion posted on my forum.

Hans

Sock puppet I have not said that. I have said that you can  not violate personal  rights of a person in a private business. Firing someone who says something wrong in private business is not violating his rights, but consequence of saying something wrong. It is a consequence of exercising such person's rights. Freedom comes with responsibility and that responsibility and consequences may be getting fired. It then  is a consequence of exercising freedom of speech. 
 Janice did not say anything wrong on my forum, which would get her fired from my forum. I know that it is too confusing for you, but I do not have any more time to keep straightening out misquoted, and convoluted statements by people who are doing so to fit their agenda. I  have better things to do at this moment  and my allocated time for PDB at this moment is spend.:)
Hans   

Frosty now what is the excuse? Not sure you know the TRUE STORY. Read the bold part.

True Story by LadyFrost on 04 May 2011 - 17:05

LadyFrost Post: 654 of 795 Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 02:28 pm

True Funny Story….   So I have not been getting much sleep with moving and all the cr@p that goes along with it…day before yesterday after work and softball practice, we had to move queen size bed into spare bedroom and organize the room..by the time I got to bed it was passed 11pm. So last night I had every intention to get to bed by 8:30pm, never happened, so at 11 pm I am crawling into bed, its pouring rain outside, windy, i must have fallen asleep but was woken up by blinds hitting the window due to wind…I got up,  it was 1:22am, pulled blinds up and went back to bed, so curtain on that window kept getting sucked to the window screen and it sounded like a suction cup, so I closed the bedroom window and went to the living room and opened a window there…laid back down, I was feeling myself drifting off when bathroom door of the master bedroom slammed shut (door was on my side of the bed and only 6 feet from me)…god, that skyrocketed my heart rate and I sat straight up…after cursing for a few minutes I finally calmed down and must have fallen asleep when a strange noise which kept altering my dreams into weird world brought me back to reality..one of my cats was in a cat litter digging…(the thing about my cats, my male cat likes to bring all of the cat litter to the front of the litter box so he can sit with his head sticking out…my female cat hates having urine and cr@p by the edge of the cat litter where she has to step..so she always transfers all 30 pounds of cat litter to the very back) anyway, one of them was digging and digging and digging…I finally loud whispered “Oscar, get out” he meowed back and I heard him jump out….so I looked at my phone…2 f*cking 35am….i turned over and tried falling asleep..i was able to hear one of the cat eating and crunching on the food…and I must have dozed off…when I heard the digging again…and digging, and digging and I can hear cat litter hitting the side of the box and I knew it was Emily…she was relocating cat litter back to the back of the box..I waited and waited I looked at the clock 3:15, 3:21, 3:35 i could not take it anymore, I sat up and Yelled at the top of my lungs “ SH*T ALREADY!” at which point my husband jumped up trying to figure out what was going on…”who?., what  sH*t?....I had to bite my lip so I would not laugh…lets just say he was not amused as I was….so I did not get any sleep….took me a while to explain to half awake man why I was telling his cat to sh*t….

Hans,

Abusing the dogs we all love is the wrong part. No matter where, when or how it happened. You are enabling her sickness sir.

I feel the way I do about Janice Bartmess because her intelligence, her knowledge of DDR dogs, coupled with her black heart and ability to rationalize her cruelty makes her very dangerous.  I think she seduces people with her expertise and  they begin to forget, or rationalize, or never knew the truth of her crimes in the first place. 

Look at this thread about Boban from 2007:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=77690

Look at all the people so willing to overlook what she did and how she was allowed to sweep what happened under the rug and blame it on others, all in the name of her extensive  knowledge of  DDR dogs.  Does anyone wonder how she got her hands on more dogs and was able to do it AGAIN?  I think many times it's people who read threads like that one.  Surely some of her enablers knew exactly who's hands they were putting their dogs, but I bet some were duped by her words. 

I had a chance to bring it up in that Boban thread, and I tried, but not hard enough, and I let myself get slapped down and silenced  like a cowed puppy, so I feel I let the dogs down myself for that and I won't forget it, and it won't ever happen again.

Despite our disagreements I have a ton of respect for you,  Prager, and I have no doubt you find her crimes to be as despicable as everyone else does.  All I am saying is please consider what the impact might be if she once more gains purchase on a message board,  and develops a following.  Could this kind of stuff be responsible for her getting her hands on dogs once more? 

SP........you are an IDIOT! ..YOU MISSED THE POINT of a post AGAIN!..you feel like you must prove something all the time, you have OCD and you have it bad! it's not the point if i am married or a lesbian, do you honestly do not get that????? if you don't feel stupid right  about now, you may want to get onto some sort of medication dude....... and you are laughable because you spend how much time looking for that post?...it just proves my point over and over and over again.....(what? you already forgot what my point was? need to read it again..)  you make me laugh, thank god for people like you to make some of us feel better about ourselves.....LOL.

Give it a rest SP. We all know your POV. We also know you can not grasp how Prager can not have your POV. Simple solution-- don't go to his board or post to any JB threads. Everyone, even Hans knows who she is, now. 

Enough of your bullying LF, too. I don't think anyone except you care if her husband is named Mike or her Lesbian partner is Michelle or if she's leaving for the Bahama's next week with Ace. I know I don't because she's pretty damn harmless and fun and smart. Maybe this will help you? LF are you related to NONA or Lil Rut in any way shape or form? 

I'm going out to my garden now because I'm sick of the fighting all the time, and I hate to see friendships end.