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by 1doggie2 on 11 July 2007 - 03:07

I have worked very hard for owners to allow dogs in their buildings, responsible pet owners, if not I get them out.  One of the buildings is close to Dog Beach, they sneak them in anyway. Best to raise the rent allow them in, they never move. Because of insurance I can not allow rotts or pitts in a property I do not own. I love the rotts and would allow the dogs in a heart beat after I had met them and checked them out. In property I owned, the tenants and their rotts were there 10 years on a average, normal average is 2 years.  I have developed a following of tenants that prefer my buildings, the units look good, allow dogs, and are maintained. I have also learned the hard way, I will take 5 GSD's over 1 cat ( I love cats) but not as tenants pets unless they are SUPER clean.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 11 July 2007 - 04:07

In apartments in Canada, most leases have a 'no pet' clause. However, it is NOT enforceable unless the pet becomes a problem. As a matter of fact, I believe that discriminating against pet owners is a violation of the Charter of Rights.

When Roger and I were first married, he was living in a condo. They are a whole different story. The board sets the rules, and they CAN enforce a 'no pet' clause. So, Tasha spent the first month or so of our marriage in a boarding kennel, while we tried to find a house to rent that would allow a dog. We had a very, very hard time finding a suitable place, and I was starting to get very upset at being separated from my dog. At one point I said, "I just want to find somewhere to live with my dog." Well, Roger interpreted that as excluding him from the equation, and I had a very hard time soothing his hurt feelings!

I noticed there was a couple in the building with a boxer, so we started to ask questions. The superintendent, Rudy, was from Germany, and had trained German Sheperds for the police. He told us he was okay with the dog, as long as we were circumspect about it, for example, not parading her through the front lobby, or taking her on the elevator at peak times. Until we finally found a house to rent, she spent a lot of time in her 'mobile kennel' (our Volvo wagon) in the underground parking. We even exercised her down there, throwing the frisbee for her.


by sunshine on 11 July 2007 - 05:07

When I moved from Germany to the US, I found my dream townhouse to rent on the Chesapeake Bay.  It was a hard sell coming with my GSD.  But, I was prepared to increase the deposit twofold and got the place.  In retrospect the Lessors, gave me lots of references and loved this little household that maintained the condos rules and regulations.  We had a grand time there.  When I was getting my puppy, they had no problem saying it was OK because they knew me in the meantime and was not going to let the dog ruin the place.  I found a home to purchase and moved however on the weekend before I picked the pup up.  The Lessors and I still stay in close contact and have become my extended "dog loving" family. 


by MATHAUS on 11 July 2007 - 10:07

This is not acceptable to all sane people. How can they do this for GSDs. There are serial killers, thieves, rapists and bums among human beings too. So can they ban human beings too. They must understand that it takes all types to make the world. So while we tolerate this nonsense they must understand that those requiring punishment should be punished- blanket decisions affecting the full dog kingdom cannot be taken. It is totally incorrect and so stupid.


by ProudShepherdPoppa on 11 July 2007 - 11:07

I sometimes wonder if governments pass laws simply to show that they are doing something to earn their fat paychecks and retirements.  After all, if they weren't legislating SOMETHING, someone might get the idea that we could do without them.  Hmmmm now there's a thought!


by D.H. on 11 July 2007 - 15:07

This came in today, from minister@environ.ie

 

11 July 2007

A Chara,

I have been asked by Mr. John Gormley T.D., Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to refer to your recent letter regarding Dublin City Council's recently announced ban on dangerous dogs from properties owned by the Council.

Responsibility for this matter rests entirely with the Council. However, to be of assistance to you I have made enquiries and I understand from the Council that it has introduced a ban on the following breeds of dogs within its housing estates and flat complexes, from 1st July 2007.  The breeds listed are:

American Pit Bull Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
English Pit Bull Terrier
Bull Mastiff
Doberman Pinscher
German Shepherd (Alsatian)
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Rottweiler
Japanese Akita
Japanese Tosa

When tenants sign their tenancy agreement (from now on) it will state that the above list of dogs are banned.  Those tenants who are currently living in Council property can be brought under this condition by virtue of the fact that the tenancy agreement which they signed, states that Dublin City Council has an obligation to ensure that their tenants live in a safe environment.

In addition, it might be noted that Article 83 (1) (j) of the Housing Regulations, 1980 (S.I. No. 296 of 1980) provides that "where the house is let by a housing authority which is a county borough corporation *, the tenant shall not keep any poultry, pigs or other animals (other than domestic pets which are not likely to create a nuisance or become a source of annoyance) on the premises without the consent of the authority."

Yours sincerely,


________________
Eddie Kiernan
Private Secretary


by dmartenvt on 13 July 2007 - 21:07

I have contacted them with the following message, and would urge anyone, particularly from rescue, to do the same. They need to know it is not OK to destroy these dogs, and that there are alternatives. Under this breed list, every one of my dogs would be confiscated. Provided, of course, they did the DNA testing to prove their breeds, because I would go to court. I did used to live there and am still a citizen, so I will be tryng to contact the citizen's groups to hook them up with assistance.

Dublin City Councilors:


cllr_annmarie.martin@dublincity.ie, aodhanor@eircom.net, bill_tormey@oceanfree.net ,bcarr@dublin.ie , cllr_brian.gillen@dublincity.ie, bronwen@eircom.net , charlie@ardagh.org , cllr_christy.burke@dublincity.ie, cllr_criona.nidhalaigh@dublincity.ie, cllr_daithi.doolan@dublincity.ie, heney@oceanfree.net, cllr_deirdre.keane@dublincity.ie, cllr_dermot.lacey@dublincity.ie, cllr_dessiejohn.ellis@dublincity.ie, cllr_eibhlin.byrne@dublincity.ie, cllr_emer.costello@dublincity.ie, ericbyrn@indigo.ie, cllr_gerry.breen@dublincity.ie, dermotjoan@utvinternet.com, cllr_john.gallagher@dublincity.ie, julia.carmichael@ireland.com, cllr_kevin.humphreys@dublincity.ie, killian@killianforde.com, cllr_larry.otoole@dublincity.ie, vote1@liamkelly.com, cllr_mary.fitzpatrick@dublincity.ie, freehill@eircom.net, marymur@eircom.net, cllr_maurice.ahern@dublincity.ie, cllr_michael.conaghan@dublincity.ie, mdonnelly@bfcd.ie, michael.rafferty@cta.ie, campaign@naoise.ie, cllr_niamh.cosgrave@dublincity.ie, cllr_nicky.kehoe@dublincity.ie, oisin@oisinquinn.ie, paschal.donohoe@gmail.com, cllr_ray.corcoran@dublincity.ie, rsargent@sinnfeindsc.com, cllr_seanpaul.mahon@dublincity.ie, cllr_tom.brabazon@dublincity.ie, cllr_tom.stafford@dublincity.ie, cllr_vicent.jackson@dublincity.ie, cllr_wendy.hederman@dublincity.ie , info@wendyhederman.ie, cllr_clare.byrne@dublincity.ie, cllr_declan.flanagan@dublincity.ie, cllr_Louise.Minihan@dublincity.ie, pjmccartan@gmail.com, cllr_anne.carter@dublincity.ie, lordmayor@dublincity.ie, info@seankenny.ie

 

Dear Councilors:

 

The news of the issues facing the residents of Dublin City Council properties with regards to confiscation and possible destruction of 11 breeds (plus any mixed breeds) of dogs has reached many of the rescue groups formed for both mixed breed and purebred dogs in the United States.

 

I wanted to let both you and the residents of your properties know that we have the resources to assist in placement of the dogs. In addition, I will be happy to help in providing information and resources in DNA testing, which is available now in the United States so that you can determine whether a dog may be a mixed breed of one of the 11 breeds that you have identified, which includes herding breeds such as Shepherds. I am presently in the process of contacting these groups so that we can coordinate any help you need in testing as well as help we might provide in tempermant testing and placement of these dogs, so that destruction of non-aggressive dogs can be avoided wherever possible.

 

Thank you for your time and we will be in touch as soon as possible as to organization efforts to help you avoid destruction of the dogs.


by LMH on 14 July 2007 - 17:07

I read this thread the other day and would have responded earlier but was a little miffed when D.H. singled out the Yanks as not being concerned-----after all.......who were the only ones even responding on this thread but the pesty Americans. Having thought it over, though, I realize she was probably just trying to egg us on and be proactive.  So..here are some thoughts that haven't really been mentioned, but perhaps should be:

Has there ever been uttered a more correct saying than "a fool born every minute"?  Not likely.  They are truly out of their minds to propose taking away ALL these pets, some of which are beloved family members.  Not 1, mind you,.....MANY.  I'd never compare this with the lunacy of the Chinese gov't.  The people there have been subjugated for so long...what was there recourse? But.....to take away a hot-headed Irishman's cherished GSD.......Watch out!  (I'm 1/4 Irish..so don't go there.) The proverbial shit, for sure, is going to hit the proverbial fan----and, IMO, they deserve what they get.  Ironically, they should be so lucky as to only lose votes or a seat on some council.  More likely, retribution will be far more deadly.  VERY foolish proposal. (Just thought of another appropriate saying that could be uttered---There's a "sucker born every second".  Not for any of those seconds do I believe they won't come to regret their actions.)

And, to take this proposal nationally?????? Nuts.......Just put a big *X * (marks the spot) on your back.  Some people just don't get it----There are those that when when they say "No one hurts my dog", they mean it.


by CALL on 15 July 2007 - 02:07

We are a small GSD rescue and rehoming organisation in Kildare, Ireland - Celtic Animal Life Line - we appreciate all the help you can give to help us to have this Dublin City Council ban rescinded, with this in mind we ask you to visit the following website www.anvilireland.ie Anvil ( Animals Need a Voice in Legislation) was formed 2 years ago and our aim is to improve the situation for animals in Ireland - through effective legislation. This "ban" is unwarrented - there is sufficient legislation to deal with "anti-social" owners and the overall majority of people living in Dublin City Council housing estates are decent, ordinary people who now risk loosing their family pet because of this outrageous Council decision - We, (CALL) have been inundated with pleas from tenants for us to take in their Sheps. - we cannot accomodate anymore as we are just a small group and have no more kennel space. All the rescues in Ireland are struggling under the huge numbers of abandoned, strayed , unwanted dogs. Suitable homes for GSDs here in Ireland are very thin on the ground - there are just too many dogs and too small a population. Please keep writing to all the Dublin City Councillors, the Minister for Environment, MEPs, also Irish Embassies in your countries - We need as much help as possible to keep the pressure on - there is also a civil liberties issue - people living in Council properties are not being treated the same as people with "restricted breeds" living in private home. There is no list of "dangerous" dogs in the Control of Dogs Act here - there is a list of " certain Restricted Breeds" and it is this list of "Restricted Breeds" which has suddenly become the "dangerous" list of dogs under the recent Dublin City Council ban - though the Bandog is not on the current list of so called "dangerous" dogs. This ban is in force - tenants are receiving letters next week telling them to surrender their dogs or rehome them - there is NOWHERE for these dogs to go - the few rescues in Ireland a full to overflowing. If this ban is allowed to continue these family pets will die. Through ANVIL we are telling tenants to sit tight and informing them of the legislation and of their Rights regarding what a dog warden can/cannot do. People are frightened of being evicted if they do not comply with this ban. Please visit the website www.anvilireland.ie all the information is on the site and there is no requirement to register. Thank you for all your support - we must not become complacent - if this ban succeeds it could be any county next .

by sunshine on 15 July 2007 - 03:07

CALL,

Thank you for providing so much additional information through your website.  I have forwarded the information onto my friends in GSD Rescue here in Texas, USA.  I am sure the petition will be eagerly signed.  Please keep us up-dated.  Thanks.

 






 


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