YEEEEHAAAWWWW!!! AB1634 IS DEAD!! - Page 2

Not everyone agrees with that, Spook. Some think Levine's political career is hanging by a thread and the bill will not be reintroudced or will be substantially watered down. He has lost most of his support and may never regain it. Time will tell. For now, I'd like to celebrate their success and not rain on their parade. These people are well organized and prepared to regoup after January 2008.

If you believe:

a) that Levine choreograhed this and

b) that this movement it isn't happening anywhere else,

we need to check your kool aid. PETA is deep in it and they don't give up that easy.

I know that, Spook and I don't drink kool aid.

A similar movement is happening in NJ and Missouri (I think) and a few other state I've forgotten. I own a breed list and some of my members are actively involved in monitoring pending dog legislation and reacting accordingly.  A few have been invited to address assemblies regarding opposing AB 1634 and they also know that PETA is playing a big role in most of the dog legislation intended to terminate the breeding of dogs. It's the same old PETA chant - as long as there are dogs in shelters, no one should be breeding more.  That line of thinking does appeal to the general public. Here in PA we are blessed to have the PA Federation of Dog Clubs and AKC has their own legislative division.  I am thankful for these people and organizations.

It will be an ongoing battle and it may behoove dog breeders everywhere to continue to ban together and present a different proposal that addresses the tax money spent on dogs sitting in rescue. That's really what it's all about to the man on the street.

I wonder if Levine got any feathers stuck in his teeth when he ate his crow this morning?  Seriously, he is right about the shelters being overcrowded and a problem, just dead wrong in his so called solution, and woefully misguided by PETA.

I believe he does intend to reintroduce the bill once he can garner more support and that's why he pulled it rather than allow the vote.

Well we can compare it to Foster homes/Orphanages. I guess when  we start sterilizing people until the population is under control we can do the same with the dogs. Oh wait China has something like that in place. Oh double wait, they are communist. Are we also headed that way? These crazy laws are getting more insane by the minute. If I should kill one of these politicians, I could go to prison where I will have more rights than on the outside!

And no that wasn't a threat to do harm to anyone, just an analogy.

i agree this wasn't the best solution to the over breeding population. from what i've read, the numbersof cats/dogs being euthanized has been going down; still lots of room to improve. i didn't neuter my gsd til he was 11 months on the recommendation of my breeder. i was worried that i'd be stopped somewhere and fined for not having him fixed at 6 mos. i've now applied for his license, but its a pain worrying about something that the government shouldn't have such control over. i don't like the fact that my taxes go to killing unwanted animals, but until a real solution comes up, well..... here in calif we have alot of "fixes" for people who say they can't afford to spay/neuter their animals, but some people just won't do it. maybe if some of us can offer ideas to help solve these problems, the pols can put together a logical and fair bill. one way or another, we end up paying for this, whether we are good and responsible owners or not. i just don't want to see another law that penalizes everyone regardless of their responsibilty.

Well we can compare it to Foster homes/Orphanages. I guess when  we start sterilizing people until the population is under control we can do the same with the dogs. Oh wait China has something like that in place. Oh double wait, they are communist. Are we also headed that way? These crazy laws are getting more insane by the minute. If I should kill one of these politicians, I could go to prison where I will have more rights than on the outside!

And no that wasn't a threat to do harm to anyone, just an analogy.

4pack, I think you are closer to the truth than most of us care to admit.

4pack,

You know as well as I do that apart from freedom of speech/dissent we are considerably LESS free than the self styled communists. Little by little our freedom and autonomy are being eroded and replaced by nanny state controls, regulations, and mandatory participation in their various socialist schemes. I am even slightly surprised that the left wing fanatics in California lack the support to force this bill through as they do with so much of their mis-guided legislation. They (including PETA) have virtually unlimited spokespeople in the form of ignorant but enthusiastic celebrities just looking for some cute and fuzzy hobby. I hope that any time some legislators propose some new "protection" people will see that it is really just another publicity stunt with potentially serious implications for the future of our freedom. I personally value freedom far above any imagined protections that they might offer.  Best Wishes, Jonah