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by SchHBabe on 11 July 2007 - 13:07
For the dogs, yes. For the handlers, sometimes not.
Personally I think it's kinda funny (and also a tad hypocritical) how some handlers are obsessed with their dog's weight and diet, and yet turn a blind eye to their own physique.
Training can be athletic if you choose it to be. A vigorous game of tug with your dog, running the blinds with your dog, taking turns wearing the sleeve to fight with a strong dog,... the possibilities are endless.
I encourage everyone to make the most of the fitness opportunities while training. This is a TEAM sport. Both dog and handler will benefit from being physically fit.
Yvette

by habanaro on 11 July 2007 - 15:07
Schutzhund can be a good workout for both you and the dog. If you are doing helperwork you will get a workout. I personally have 3 dogs from a puppy to a 12 year old. I will walk my 5 y/o male 2-3 miles per day, run 3 fh tracks per week plus do obedience and protection 2-3 times per week. The 12 year old will go for 1/2 to1 mile walks 1-2 times per week.and still get a couple of bites per week.. The puppy is just a whirling dervish. Point being all in total i would say that my routine is probably about equivilant to playing a couple of rounds of golf per week. I don't do very much helperwork though. I believe that if your and your dog are in reasonable condition your dog will show better. If you are not doing helperwork I think you don't have to be that athletic, but I do think that you and the dog need to be in condition
by ALPHAPUP on 11 July 2007 - 16:07
Don .. do you read my posts and contemplate -- it was a rhetorical post... so do you think that one doing Sch .. but one teaches the GSD that it is the man that it should be eyeing and taking a piece of ... rather than a game to be played , testing it's character or a field trial to compete in... you think that is sport .. secodly .. don't show your ignorance .. i have done Sch .. trianed and decoyed for Sch ..long before other canine sports ... there is a difference if you look it at a canines point of view .. but just like many others on the GSD world .. topics are about the people and lasly about the dog. and believe me .. i care how the dog's perception is !!.. i have seen enough people doing protection work that leads to a very dangerous dog not understanding the difference. and you also display or give the impression of being uninformed if you think there are other protection sports that are a lot more fun to do and challenging for the GSD.. believe me ... if you had done any other protection sports you would be won over .. i have seen countless others once they stepped into other sports like belgium , french , KNVP . NVBK , Campagne, not to return to Sch. BTW .. i still do Sch / teach those exercises to my GSDs . put the foundation in my female GSD , by 1 year sge was ready for Sch 1 , sent her back to Germany to be finished titled / possibly shown and x-rayed. .. but why do you get so defensive .. are you that insecure? Clearly on all my posts intention is not tan intention to knock Sch .. but hey .. it is what it is and you can go . As for me ..IMO anytime one goes with the intention of hurting another .. that is not sport

by Don Corleone on 11 July 2007 - 17:07
Alpha
You are hilarious! I love reading your posts! This is about the third or fourth time we are going to go around on this issue.
Not everyone out there wants to do, or needs a street ready protection dog. Some people actually enjoy tracking. They do SCH just for the tracking.
Yes, iam ignorant, defensive and insecure. I need to learn from people like you. That is why I come on this board. I learn something new everyday. I have done a bit of work in the other sports, so to say that I won't go back to SchH is a personal statement. I still train with people that strictly do ring sport. I am one of those people that enjoy the sport of SchH. I like them all. I just can't see driving all day for a trial when there are several in my backyard. For a national event, maybe. I like to go out, lay a track, eat breakfast, run the track and watch a working dog at his finest. Some people will take a triathilon, where control and handler precision are of the utmost importance. Others would rather leave more to the dog and show up to a club twice a week and work on their sloppy obedience and free-for-all protection. Hell I think it takes one hell of a dog to decide his own route around the blinds. It sur take some control on the dogs part when he is allowed to touch the judge in a guard. Hell, you can position a dog in any position on the guard. So for the weaker dogs, we can make sure that the dog is threatened less.
I have agreed with you on many posts, but to throw a blanket statement over the sport of ScH and the people in SchH is "ignorant". Go park outside Gold's Gym and tell the people going in that it is a joke because one guy in there is overweight and doesn't have a six pack. You're going to find a shitter in every sport you encounter. It wouldn't be much of a sport if the average Joe could excel.
By the way, I don't claim to have perfect grammer or spelling, but could you please work on your posts. I have a hard time understanding.
Also, you still have not answered what sport you train and title your showdogs. Don

by Trailrider on 11 July 2007 - 17:07
SchHBabe
"Personally I think it's kinda funny (and also a tad hypocritical) how some handlers are obsessed with their dog's weight and diet, and yet turn a blind eye to their own physique. "
I am so with you on this one!! I have often thought it funny because most people think my dogs are a tad overweight, and the critics are alot overweight!!
by ALPHAPUP on 11 July 2007 - 18:07
Don -- As usual you always make posts about the people . -- I really don't care what canine sports people do, I personally love them all .. they all have merit. .. I care about the GSDs. And Personally .. i don't care if one has the meanest , badest canine . the topic is about sport. [ and lets not forget there are a loy of newcomers reading the posts] . they may think their dog is sport or being agitated/trained in a sport like manner .. but my post was directed to raoise their awareness that it may not be triening with a "sport attitude" - you can agree / disagree without getting personal. if one wants to think the attitude about the GSD has nothing to do within the confines of the definition of sport .. that's ok .-- As for me .. i train my dogs .. " i do not care if the helper / decoy os right next to you .. getting dressed .. agitating .. dog you remain calm cool and collected. it's never about the helper or agressing against the helper. .. it's about my relationship with my dog [ and not how i do compared to anyone else] .. self control [ you may next to the helper without a turned lip or eyeyou respect everyone .. .. until you get the green light then take him out] hard and fast ,one bite]. and just because dog you walk on the field .. you don't go looking for a bite . you will heel off leash right aside the helper and don't even look for the bite ..until .. but FYI i have trained several canine protection sports. titling to me means nothing .. SHOW ME THE DOG / PERFORNMANCE and THE RELATIONSHIP . that's what counts! not foolish little scores or paper titles. . IMO "sport " means the dog not looking to bite someone [ And Lord .. I hope novices realize this !!]... and in esence one should only be competing with oneself ..

by Don Corleone on 11 July 2007 - 18:07
Alpha
O.K.

by Shelley Strohl on 11 July 2007 - 19:07
Anybody who trains for schutzhund and says it isn't an athletic sport isn't doing it right!
I'll bet I lost 6 lbs. working dogs (-5 day) in protection last weekend. I don't participate in any other form of anerobic exercize, and if I can't train in the winter, I do gain weight, but come spring and nice enough weather to work dogs, the pounds fall off like ice melting in the sunshine.
SS

by 4pack on 11 July 2007 - 19:07
Shelley, it takes more effort to run like that, hold your dog and not spill a drop of your beer! Now thats an athlete!

by susie on 11 July 2007 - 20:07
Jeffrey wrote: If the majority of the trainers did not eat, drink beer and smoke so much then I assume they could receive some value out of the work and exercise that comes with Schutzhund.
You saved my day! You just described the typical old fashioned German MAN !!!
No kidding! Training a dog on a high level includes a lot of condition training besides tracking, obedience, bitework, like riding bycicle, pulling, swimming, show training, and so on. A handler, who wants to compete in the top either in Schutzhund or Show needs a lot of condition or a lot of helpers
These dogs need training almost every day, nobody cares if it´s hot or cold.
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