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by Ibrahim on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

Blitzen, what you say makes sense to me, we're not identical on the guns issue but close. 

Twoo Moons,

I agree it's not about religion, no religion is a bad religion, that is what I believe, there is good and bad human. I agree with you that there is lot of violence in our region, I want to explain one thing to you about us, most of the people in our region are peaceful. Say in a certain population of 6 million there are probably 500 extremists who believe in violence, get their hands on explosives and guns, those 500 individuals can turn the 6 million society into a bloody one, media will give you the impression that that society of the 6 million are killing each other and they are mad, lunatics, religous extremists etc etc. So I do not find it strange what you think of our region.
I know that extremists and those who take violence as their path in our region are always secretly supported by various intelligenc agencies in the west. I give you Syria as an example, Al-Nusrah Mujahideen, who were recognized recently by the US as a terrorist organization, are supported financially and with weapons by:
Turkey
Saudi Arabia
& Qatar

All above countries are the allies and puppets of the US. Now that hurts us here, a lot. It does harm how people look to the US.
In regards to weapons in the US I understand now the background and history to the case, I have no problem but believe me you have a serious problem individually and as a society. If you want to see things crystal clear just take your self out of the ditch, fly above and have a better general look at the US as well as other parts of the world, other societies, think as broad as possible and as a society, not as an individual of certain specific selfish need, only then you can realize the dangers of weapons in all hands, the good ones and the sick ones.

Ibrahim

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

One thing rings true,
the majority of people who populate the Earth are not the problem, we are truly the same no matter what country one is born in.
We all just want to have a good life and raise our children to be happy and productive members of the human race and do no harm to anyone or anything.

This is why we cannot let the few control the many.

Nothing is free, this you must know.
Sometimes it requires sacrifice and loss.

Our human society will repeat it's history and will fall in time.
It has nothing to do with weapons in the hands of the many, it has to do with the most dangerous weapons of the few.
Because of a few, not the many.






by Blitzen on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

Moons, I agree - nothing is free........ sometimes it requires sacrifice and loss.

by Ibrahim on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

You have a good point there Twoo Moons but to be sincere with you it is more of philosophical one. If I were an American woman I would think 100 times before I marry a Police Officer working the streets with all those easy to get guns.
If you read my other thread, maybe the US is about to have a big bloom (OIl) Teeth Smile

by Ibrahim on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

It's an irony, just now there is a break news on our TV which says the US just sold Saudi Arabia bombs worth 80 million dollars and sold to Qatar missiles worth 406 million dollars.
If I had the power I would put both governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar on trial and ask for death sentence to both, go & call me an extremist, these people do not deserve life.

by Blitzen on 27 December 2012 - 18:12

I'm sure not the gun maven you are Moons, so maybe my undersnding semi vs automatic is flawed.I found this on the net, I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong:

There isn't much difference between a fully automatic M-16 machine gun and the semi-automatic AR-15 rifle.

Both shoot the same, high-powered .223-caliber ammo and can be loaded with large-capacity magazines of 30 rounds or more. Except for different internal workings that allow the fully auto mode in the M-16, they're the same gun.

The semi-automatic version isn't much less lethal, either -- that much is made clear by the Army's decision to use M-16s that fire semi-automatically in up to three-round bursts, rather than full-autos. Semi-auto fire can be more accurate than "spraying," the Army found.

The biggest difference, by far, is in the laws that apply to them.

Once again, what is so wrong about placing more stringent requirements on those who want to purchase a semi or requiring private gun dealers have to do the same backgrond checks that commercial gun dealers need to do? We have shotguns, I  live at a trap range, people here adore their guns;shooting  trap and skeet are their lives.. However most do not understand why the protest over more reasonable gun laws regarding semis.

 
 

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 27 December 2012 - 19:12

Ibrahim,
as long as the few control the many nothing will improve.
Burn it all down and the few will no longer control us.


by Blitzen on 27 December 2012 - 19:12

Ibrahim, the only reference I can find to the US selling bombs to the Saudis is from 2007 when the Bush administration did it. I'll keep watching the news here, something may turn up later today. If your media is like ours, you have to always be skeptical.

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 27 December 2012 - 19:12

Blitzen,
I cannot explain anything to you that you would except here.

Once you open the flood gates there will be no stopping the waters that will take everything from us all.

You won't ever understand this I fear.

You'll never understand weapons or their function and purpose.
I could furnish endless links for you to study this but you'd tire of it quickly.

Just know we have a constitution and it has been made null and void by powers you cannot fathom.

Your freedom is at risk many times more than your danger of being shot by any type of weapon.

A Browning .22 is a semi-automatic rifle.
Who decides.

Moons.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 27 December 2012 - 19:12

Blitzen,
I thought this might show you the scope of what your talking about concerning semi-automatic weapons,
the prices are internet prices and are not considered the norm.
Here are 150 pages, 75 items each, of only semi-automatic weapons, that's 11,250 on only one website out of thousands worldwide.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx



You can find anything you want and through a dealer buy it.


Moons.





 


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