2011 FCI World Championship - Page 8

If I were you, I would start a new thread, since that's quite a different topic, as this thread is about the 2011 FCI World Championship.  I've no doubt that it will generate a lot of interest.  In fact I bet there are many who have not clicked on this thread who would be interested in that topic.  I imagine it will spark quite the lively debate!!

I really admire Malinois, but my breed of choice is working line GSDs. 

I agree with you, but in reverse :-)  I can admire a nice solid working GSD, but have no desire to own one.  Just not the breed for me.

I don't know if my comments were considered detrimental to the German Shepherd, but I know they are what I have seen evolve over 40 years in the breed. Its not a matter of infighting(show vs working), its a matter of fact that certain lines are no longer capable of high performance in a FCI event on a consistent basis. Sorry...its the truth...if you want to go over particpants and results for last 25 years, it would be borne out, therefore it is not bashing, just fact. And I think I know a little about the history of the breed .

Lol, you know me, Malndobe, I've got a thing for all the pointy eared herders !!  Throw a few good Dobies, Rotties and Boxers in for good measure and I'm in heaven.

Oh hell, by the looks of what's going on youknowwhere, maybe it's time to add an Airedale just to keep things REALLY interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I digress, so I'm sorry for taking this off topic.

ROTFLMAO @ you sueincc

 Gustav, there is no doubt you posses a superb knowledge of the breed, but you are constantly bashing the breed more than anyone these days.  It seems to me you are somewhat stuck in the past with blinders on and incapable of giving a good assessment of today’s GSD.  Our 2010 Sieger Ober Bad-Boll was one of the best working showlines we have seen in recent memory yet you still can’t get past the Bernd, Mutz, and Frei lines of yester-year.  This is very much starting to disturb me since you keep talking about them all the time without even trying to use your wonderful experience in pointing out the accomplishments of some of today’s better dogs.  Why all of the negativity all the time?   You’re starting to sound like a grumpy old man.

Please produce some video of these show dogs of recent years at ANY Working Dog Championship.  I would love to see the stadium work if not the tracking and just a little FYI for you Maywood, the roots of the Malinois go back further than Capt. Max's development of the German Shepherd Dog.

OKay i found the results, Not much joy for the Belgian team about 14th Place but worst still for the USA team around the 36th place it was not there day.
Regards Mals to the German Shepherd dog, Both are good workers, both have there uses which are similar, It all boils down to a matter of choice of which breed you prefer to own and work.
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Duderino, you are nothing but another working line crack pot shooting off at the mouth with no concept of what the total all around shepherd is all about.  I could show you a dozen videos and you still wouldn’t get it.  Schutzhund is only a tool to test the dogs working ability it was not designed to be the end all determining factor of what makes a great dog.  You obviously don’t get that concept either.  You among many of your cohorts have no clue of the importance of a well structured dog with an even temperament.  Most working line folks have lost this concept altogether and foolishly continue to breed mutt after mutt.  In my opinion, this is the biggest problem in the breed and the cause of the separation we see today.

Not sure what point you are trying to make by saying the Malinois breed was established before the GSD but that only tells me that if the breed was so much superior then they would be much more popular than what they are today.  They are merely a fancy breed and that is all.  The Shih-Tzu is one the oldest breeds ever so what is your point?

Maywood, I may be stuck in the past, but you and others have your heads stuck in the sand. I doubt there were any STRONG dogs in work that were awarded VA....any! I deal in producing dogs for work....right now. The nerve strength, environmental stress, the ability to get in pressure situations, (nightwork, nonpatterned work, bigtime fight when engaged, complete noise sensitivity), and perform well, is so rare in showlines that for you to view my assessment of them as bashing instead of reality shows your lack of knowledge. Notwithstanding, their structure is not conducive to strenous work also and that is a whole different subject. They comprise 75% of the German Shepherds, and you don't see them in High Sport, you don't see them in military, you don't see them in Law Enforcement, and this is ALL because Gustav speaks out on it. Law Enforcement trainers could care where a dog comes from...they want it to be able to serve and protect. Ask them if this is my imagination or bashing as you call it.
My comment was that these lines are no longer superb working dogs....they AREN'T. Didn't say they weren't pretty, or good to sleep with at night, or what the non informed think is the correct GS, I said superb working dogs!
I finally find it Hilarious that you have to go to the past to come back at me and try to use the past as a reason for me not being relevant or "bashing" as you say it. How about dealing with the NOW and give repeated examples of these dogs performing high level sport of work. Cause everytime you pull out one or two dogs as an example and leave the other 80% out of the argument...you make my case.
My views about the past don't disturb you, my views about the present supported by reality disturbs you and you like other enablers want people to just overlook the what the SL have become in terms of producing and being working dogs....true lovers of the breed(not cosmetic lovers) will never do this!
And the breed was created to be a superb working dog, SO if the structure you are promoting, and the temperament, you are promoting DOES NOT translate into a superb working dog...then you are off base. And guess what...we don't need your or MY opinion on this...there is reality to judge the state of the breed in working and many of you won't discuss that but continue to resort to the comfort of being bashed (victimization) which is reflective of what this breed has become in these lines.