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by MaggieMae on 12 May 2010 - 05:05
You are right -- not useful and very devisive -- games
by steve1 on 12 May 2010 - 05:05
Another thread which has gone completely out of focus, and is now becoming ridiculous Best to stay out and let it die away
Steve1
by vonissk on 12 May 2010 - 06:05
Why let it die? I want to hear more because there is MORE to the story then is being told here or on the website.
by steve1 on 12 May 2010 - 12:05
vonissk
You think there is, then tell us what it is you said it, so do not keep it to yourself
Steve1
You think there is, then tell us what it is you said it, so do not keep it to yourself
Steve1
by vonissk on 12 May 2010 - 15:05
I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to get in a pissing match with certain people. But I know this person--in person--and I have seen and know about 6 of her dogs. First thing I will say is she needs to take that crap off her website about being ScH quality and all that because the ones I know are NOT anything but glorified pets and very poorly socialized or weak nerved. She has about 3 times as many dogs as she shows on her website. And as far as not selling dogs and giving them away--she bred 3 litters all at one time last year--I believe the total was 27 pups--now do you do that to give away pups? And as far as her being so picky about what she is breeding and showing--another myth--the dog she had last fall--yes first glance he is a pretty blk/red dog. Take a long look--straight pasterns, cow hocked, he crabs when he gaits and he also gaits like he's dysplastic. Yep the first judge put him up because that judge liked pretty. But after that it was over. And before mud gets slung in my face--yes I was going to let her use my boy one time. I wanted to give her something to build on. But it didn't work out and boy am I glad. My mentor got hold of me and told me it was my dog and I could do what I wanted but I needed to be careful who I dealt with because it could all come back to bite me in the ass later. And she gave me a speech about the standard. The bitch she brought here aside from her color was definately not breed quality. Sure she does health testing but there is more to that than meets the eye--she used to work for the vet who does all her xray work and she told me if that wasn't the case she wouldn't have money to do it all otherwise. So you can penhip and ofa and bva your dogs to the max but just because their hips are cleared by 3 different organizations still doesn't make them breed worthy. The reason I got in here is because I know what I know and she's not doing the breed any justice and the color is only the beginning. I feel she's nothing but a BYB..........And anyone who wants to say I am just bullying her is very wrong because I have nothing to gain by doing so. I just hate deception.......................
by vonissk on 12 May 2010 - 15:05
One other thing I have said before and I will say it again. People wear masks and they hide behind them to make themselves different than what they really are. I am a very realistic person and I don't like masks.Be true to yourself or go on down the road.
by Keith Grossman on 12 May 2010 - 16:05
And there you have it.
by steve1 on 12 May 2010 - 16:05
Fair enough if you know the Kennel then you are in a better postition than most, So she keeps more Dogs than she says among other things you said, You have no reason to lie i guess and you know her so it must be true in this case, BUT people can only go on what they see and just because one person says she is a bad breeder and he did not say he was well known to the Kennel, Why should i or anyone else believe him,
I could say that you or Keith are bad Breeders of Dogs and that they are Crap, that is if you do breed Dogs but that would not make it so there is no real difference the OP did not provide concrete proof,
You have? that is the difference to change an opinion and a fair one at that, but i had to ask you why
Steve1
I could say that you or Keith are bad Breeders of Dogs and that they are Crap, that is if you do breed Dogs but that would not make it so there is no real difference the OP did not provide concrete proof,
You have? that is the difference to change an opinion and a fair one at that, but i had to ask you why
Steve1
by vonissk on 12 May 2010 - 16:05
News sure travels fast--her friend has already contacted her and I already got the email of the year from her. So Uber Land your job is done. But you're the one I talked to before about hiding behind masks.
Steve I have no reason to lie and I would think anyone who TRULY cares about our breed and where it is heading cannot in reality and with good conscience defend this person. And not only this one but any other ones that are conducting their business in such a manner. In the email she told me that I was lying--she never had 3 litters at one time--whatever then I am hearing things and I guess I am making it up as I go.........
Steve I have no reason to lie and I would think anyone who TRULY cares about our breed and where it is heading cannot in reality and with good conscience defend this person. And not only this one but any other ones that are conducting their business in such a manner. In the email she told me that I was lying--she never had 3 litters at one time--whatever then I am hearing things and I guess I am making it up as I go.........
by loujuangsd on 12 May 2010 - 17:05
Enough is enough! vonissk since you did not see fit to answer my e-mail privately, but continue to make false accusations on a public forum I am forced to reply here as well. The contents of that e-mail is below with the exception of comments made about another person that I do not know for a fact is involved in this discussion.
Subject: WHAT??????????????
I just read your comments on the pdb. You are certainly one to talk about wearing masks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I won't get into the snake pit on that forum, but I WILL correct you on your misinformation. I do NOT clam that my dogs are Schutzhund quality; never have, never will! I DID not breed 3 litters last year nor any year! I have bred a total of 5 litters in 10 years. Yes, I am fortunate to be able to do the numerous health tests because my rates are low, but I never said that I would not do the testing. I WORK in trade to have my exams done, so they don't cost me money; they still cost me time and that's a lot more precious to me than money. Check your facts before making rash statements on a public forum. They can be considered libel.
It appears that you have been lying to me from the very beginning of when we met as you told me what a lovely bitch you thought Bonnie was. No, all of my dogs are not on my website, but I do not have 3 times as many as what are posted. As for my pretty blk/red dog, he's a puppy that still has maturing to do. He's not perfect, no dog is. Also, two judges out of three put him up, not just one. Also I'll put my dogs' temperaments up against your dog's temperament any day! At least I have not been asked to remove any of my dogs from any show venue for allegedly biting another dog! (This can be documented in UKC records).
As for being a straight forward person, your actions today say you are anything but that! If you were, you would have come to me with your comments/concerns first.
Later,
Susan
Add'l comment: When my "pretty" blk/red dog took points over her dog, he was a mere 6 mos and 2 wks old vs her ~ 4yr old male. Recently he did not take the points, that's the nature of judging. You pay your entry fee for a person's opinion. BTW, that same dog who didn't take the points against the progeny of her dog at the recent show, did take the points, finish his UKC Championship and take a Group 3 placement.
I do not list the young dogs on my website that I am holding back as potential breeding stock until I have decided to keep them. I also do not list the dogs that are with me that are currently working on their Pets Passport to be exported.
I appreciate your attempt to help me by giving something to "build on", but in retrospect that doesn't say much for your character or ethics as a breeder. You were willing breed to (in your opinon) a bitch that was not breed quality supposedly to help another person better their stock. At the same time you would have also made a little money on the deal in the form of a stud fee which you would generously allow me to pay after a pup was sold.
As far as having no reason to lie, who knows, but approximately 4 wks ago you thought enough of me and my breeding practices to not only warn me about a potentially unscrupulous person inquiring about buying one of my puppies and to also REFER me as good breeder to a dear friend of yours that you have known for years who had offered you a puppy that you weren't in a position to have at the moment!
Subject: WHAT??????????????
I just read your comments on the pdb. You are certainly one to talk about wearing masks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I won't get into the snake pit on that forum, but I WILL correct you on your misinformation. I do NOT clam that my dogs are Schutzhund quality; never have, never will! I DID not breed 3 litters last year nor any year! I have bred a total of 5 litters in 10 years. Yes, I am fortunate to be able to do the numerous health tests because my rates are low, but I never said that I would not do the testing. I WORK in trade to have my exams done, so they don't cost me money; they still cost me time and that's a lot more precious to me than money. Check your facts before making rash statements on a public forum. They can be considered libel.
It appears that you have been lying to me from the very beginning of when we met as you told me what a lovely bitch you thought Bonnie was. No, all of my dogs are not on my website, but I do not have 3 times as many as what are posted. As for my pretty blk/red dog, he's a puppy that still has maturing to do. He's not perfect, no dog is. Also, two judges out of three put him up, not just one. Also I'll put my dogs' temperaments up against your dog's temperament any day! At least I have not been asked to remove any of my dogs from any show venue for allegedly biting another dog! (This can be documented in UKC records).
As for being a straight forward person, your actions today say you are anything but that! If you were, you would have come to me with your comments/concerns first.
Later,
Susan
Add'l comment: When my "pretty" blk/red dog took points over her dog, he was a mere 6 mos and 2 wks old vs her ~ 4yr old male. Recently he did not take the points, that's the nature of judging. You pay your entry fee for a person's opinion. BTW, that same dog who didn't take the points against the progeny of her dog at the recent show, did take the points, finish his UKC Championship and take a Group 3 placement.
I do not list the young dogs on my website that I am holding back as potential breeding stock until I have decided to keep them. I also do not list the dogs that are with me that are currently working on their Pets Passport to be exported.
I appreciate your attempt to help me by giving something to "build on", but in retrospect that doesn't say much for your character or ethics as a breeder. You were willing breed to (in your opinon) a bitch that was not breed quality supposedly to help another person better their stock. At the same time you would have also made a little money on the deal in the form of a stud fee which you would generously allow me to pay after a pup was sold.
As far as having no reason to lie, who knows, but approximately 4 wks ago you thought enough of me and my breeding practices to not only warn me about a potentially unscrupulous person inquiring about buying one of my puppies and to also REFER me as good breeder to a dear friend of yours that you have known for years who had offered you a puppy that you weren't in a position to have at the moment!
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