Look GARD, it's a real dog!!! - Page 7

I have already said the Helper did not do the right thing and it was stupid to use an unprotected hand He had no need to do anything at all except as i said elsewhere but to slip the sleeve but he chose not to
The Handler was faffing about like a leaf in the wind, No doubt she was scared to get hold of her dog certainly not qualified to be an owner if that was right and it did look bad on her part, Overall she is a bad trainer and handler the Dog certainly was not ready for the job asked of it
Never the less the Dog was supposed to Bark and Guard it did it the first time, okay the helper was a bit quick and did not allow the dog to Bark and Guard long enough, The second time the Dog did not Bark and Guard, IT went straight in it was not supposed to do that
THAT is why i say its nerves got the better of it, With the way some of you Guys think and  if you think the way you do then you probably work like that with your dogs and what you think is good then you would not survive over here or anywhere else in Europe working in Schutzund  You may think me harsh but for me there is no room for mistakes it can be dangerous, and when anyone is working on the field there is no messing about, certainly not in protection the dogs are psyched up and one mistake can be a painful costly one
Steve

Any one have dogs like this they do not want, let me know, I will take them.  I loved the fact that not only did he bite the bare flesh of the decoy, but he held on to the bite.  Usually when they realize they have touched flesh the reaction is to let go and the bite is usually superficial.  He said to this guy, you screw with me I will make you pay.  I buy them a stake dinner when they do this.  Not sport, but true working.

Bob
Yes the lack of control of the Dog meaning it could not control its emotions,i.e nerves and it is a poorly trained dog by a handler who does not have a clue, That is what it is all about the Dog attacked when it should not have, Overall a third rate lot in that club where it happened all the Guys on here are only interested in the dog retaliating to being hit Yes, it will do but it should not have been in that postition if it had barked and guarded as it was supposed to have done the handler should have kept it on a long line it was no where near ready and looking at that probably never will be a reliable prospect unless hadled by someone who knows what they are doing for that girl did not,. But there are too many experts on this thread who can only see one thing and misses the most important bit of all and that is WHAT the Dog was supposed to have done but did not
Steve

Interesting how different the Sch people view this

Ya your right :

                     Us damn schutzhund people so focused on dumb things like control,purpose,quality "ya lets just drag em all out back and let our dogs bite, em".  Ya us damn schutzhund people who are concerend on quality of the grip not just "the bite" concerened about focus and clarity not just "hey vern whatch this".

Here's the pedigree of the dog in the video. www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/94331/Vyatkins-Glock This page has photos and videos of it working. I think you have to be a member to see the videos. The helper looks allot like Alex Vyatkin.

Bob
You are so right, I give up on them. Or should we arrange a trial where all the Guys can bring the Dogs and one by one see which one rip into the Helper first and which Dog did the best Job,
I say it again if those who think that way best then stay out of the sport for you are in it for the wrong reasons and looking for something which should not be there with in the rules, i can bring a dog off the street to do what the one in the video did they are 10 a penny
Me i want a well balanced adjusted Dog which will do as asked of him, if i say Bark and Guard that is what i want it to do make no attempt at all to go for the sleeve just guard, not rip away from me straight at the sleeve of the helper, but those sort of dogs do not come by so often.
 but the dog in question doing that was of no concern to anyone except two of us. Then perhaps i have this sport in the wrong context and need to adjust the rip and tear method of most comenting on this thread, Of all the people on here Bob is the only one to agree but again he likes it right, or are we right
Steve

I would encourage those interested to sign up and watch those videos. I think it may change your veiws a little.

For those that choose to take the time to veiw these videos, it proves a point I have been making for a very long time.

Dog people who get indoctrinated in one venue often see things when they look at a dog only from what they have learned in that particular venue. Dog training is a big wide world folks Sch is not the end all be all. Nor is Ring, PSA, police service, etc.

For those who choose not to view the vids, this dog has been trained other than stictly Sch. It has suit work with targeting in the inside arm, and police service style training. The dog engages a passive suspect in the water for God's sake.

My big question would be did the helper know of this prior training? I think he did and was laughing at himself for not thinking or preparing for what that dog did.

My initial opinion was this was a nice dog. Seeing these other videos, and pedigree (if it;s right you never know with these damn malinios) The dog does not have a nerve issue what so ever. Enviromentally stable as well.

Did the helper make a mistake? Absolutly, and the handler probably never had this happen before and froze. Would not be the first time.

I am not trying to make fun of anyone or put down anyone's sport. All I am saying, and have always said is if you choose to look at a dog or training from only one perspective, you will limit yourself, your potential knowlege, and training.

Steve, you are a nice guy and I think you are gaining alot of knowlege from your Sch training but you are obviously only exposed to one training venue and that particular venue is not all there is to dog training or judging the quality of a dog.

Bob, I really encourage you to look at these other videos and tell us what you think. You are usually a man of reason and I think you may change your veiwpoint on this dog.

Take a look folks, see what you think, and have the courage to open your mind and as I like to say "think outside the box". In this case the box of Sch.