GSD FRAUD - Page 6

Alot of workinglines are getting pretty darned angulated, just sayin'

Prager,
Thanks. I just don't understand the hostility here against the Shilohs. I understand not liking a particular breed of dog as there are some I don't care for either, but I say to each their own.  I am someone who was extremely skeptical about these Shilohs and turned up my nose at first when my friend wanted my husband and I to adopt one. I actually told my friend there was no way I'd adopt him...for a variety of reasons. One being I was a diehard GSD lover! I can't tell you how pleasantly surprised I am with this Shiloh of ours!!! He is one awesome dog. My friend adopted (he was at first just fostering them) one also and he is just as wonderful.  
Char

Char -- don't even try to understand the hostility.  It is the result of "illogical thinking."   You have a beautiful Shiloh -- enjoy your dog.

Starrchar::  As has already been said by others,  the hostility is primarily aimed towards the sales pitch on the website, where Tina explains how and why she developed the breed.  Tina claims the Shiloh is the GSD from her childhood, and in some places on her website, denigrates the modern GSD as an inferior dog.    Most  of us who are GSD enthusiasts will hotly contest her claims until the cows come home, and this is not ever going to change.

Personally, I think Tina truly believes the Shiloh breed she developed is the GSD as she remembers it.  It could also be that in the region she was from, the dogs were larger and perhaps had lower drives than GSDs in the rest of Germany.  It could be a little of both.  It is well known there are dogs with coats in the GSD breed, but to me, this is where the similarities end between the GSD and the Shiloh, but that's just me, a modern day GSD lover!

The fact is she developed this breed, and has developed a loyal following for the Shiloh.  They are not the breed for me, because I like medium sized dogs that are quick, agile and high drive.  That said, I can certainly understand why the breed has fans, they are quite striking in appearance, (as evidenced by the dogs pictured on this thread) and from what I have seen, make wonderful family companions, to say nothing of the fact that their appearance alone might make a burglar skip to the next house! 

Please ignore maggie the villiage idiot, she/he is just an ignorant shit stirrer.

Thank you all for not getting upset with me for my post.

Maggie, Thank you for the nice compliment. My female GSD would certainly not be too thrilled about her picture though as it is not the most flattering :) .
 
Sue, I certainly understand the desire to have a dog that is quick, agile, athletic, with high drive. I can definitely appreciate that kind of dog! At one time that was the kind of dog I wanted too and that day may come again.  Things change and people change. In the past  I did not like the long coats either and said I'd never one...but here I sit with my female longcoat rescue and I love her dearly! One reason I have changed the type of dogs I have is because for the past 6 years I've been the main caregiver for my 93 year old  mom who has been battling ovarian cancer, so my life has not really been my own, therefore I don't have the time to put into a working dog. The dogs I have now are very low maintentance. and still give me wonderful companionship and love. They are both therapy dogs, so at least they have a "title" and at this point it only entails going to a nursing home once a week. The training process was very basic and easy because my dogs were naturals.  All that is required is basic obedience and the dogs need to have good nerves,plus love people.

As for the Shiloh breed and the claims the breed founder makes about the GSD of childhood days, I really have no explanation and do understand exactly where your coming from. I have even mentioned this on the Shiloh board because all the GSDs I had as a child were in keeping with the breed standard . All I can say is some people see it different than others and possibly had different experiences than me. What I do know is that she really is working hard to develop a healthy breed, documenting all health issues and carefully selecting breeding pairs in order to try and eliminate the health issues common  in the GSD.  

Thanks for responding to my post and for taking the time to listen :)

Starrchar:    One of my favorite schutzhund dogs right now is a long coat GSD.  He is an amazing dog.  He is as honest and hardworking as any dog I have ever seen.  He is hard, yet very biddable to his owner/handler.  He has a ton of drive!  I would never turn down a GSD just because it was a coat, that would make me dumb, especially  since I am not a breeder, just an afficianado.   And now the SV  is allowing Long Stock coats back anyway, so it's all good!

I understand a little bit where you are coming from regarding your mom.  I was the primary care giver for my father-in-law for his last 2 years and he lived with us.   He passed in January of this year.  He was a tough old codger, full of piss and vinegar!  I am really glad I had the opportunity to really get to know him, and for him to get to know me.  At times it was very stressful.  One thing that helped was good friends to whom I could vent, and they realized I just needed to vent.  Looking back I am very proud of the fact that I made his life easier, helped him maintain his dignity,  and made sure he was treated with respect for the last couple of years when he needed extra help. 

As far as what is written on the website about the history of the Shiloh, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make a difference in my life.  Irritating, maybe but no impact.  

I see you have been a member here for  over a year now.  I'm glad you spoke up and gave the message board another shot.  Please don't listen to maggs when she says nobody is allowed to be different.  That's baloney.  There are regulars here who breed without titles, regulars who title but don't breed survey, regulars who title in other arenas and sports, regulars who adhere to the SV system, regulars who are breeding for real world application/work, regulars who are into Czech dogs, regulars who are into show line dogs, regulars who are into working line dogs, regulars who are into companion dogs, regulars with other breeds.  We are from all walks of life and from different countries.  There is no such thing as "mob speak" here.  That is maggs excuse for why people are fed up with her.  I'll say nothing more on that subject, it's unfair to put you in the middle.

Re: long coats- have you heard the latest? Are they now being shown? Since I got my long coat female I am absolutely in love with the look of the long coats.

As for taking care of your father-in-law, kudos to you for stepping up and making his life better. What a wonderful gift you gave him. I am so sorry for your loss. Yes, there is a unique closeness that exists between the caregiver and the "patient", especially if the patient is a family member. It is very special. My mom lives with me too and so my free time is very limited...and yes, it can be stressful at times. How did you continue training during that time?  I remember the days of Schutzhund and although I loved it, it was very time consuming. One full evening doing bitework and obedience with the club and Saturday mornings tracking with the club and then training and tracking on my own. I always admire and give a lot of credit to those who get their dogs titled. I never got that far unfortunately because life took over and quite honestly my dog was super at obedience and tracking, but a bit too sharp and wasn't clear headed enough during the bitework. I learned a lot along the way and met some lifelong friends though. Who knows what the future holds!

As for differences here on the board, there are many.  I would break it down into three groups: the working line dog people, the show line dog people and companion dog people. Then there are sub groups to each, some of which you mentioned.  I know there are some particular issues we will all NEVER agree on, and it is best to agree to disagree and avoid those issues.  The majority here really love their dogs and want what is best for them, no matter what our goals with our dogs may be. I try not to get in the middle of these issues as it is a no win!

Thank you again for being open to what I had to say :)  I hope things calm down here regarding the recent disagreements that the Shiloh thread seemed to trigger.

I am lucky in that I don't work,  and my husband has his own business, with an office attached to our home.   So I would go to my club on Tues & Thurs nights and Sunday AM, and my husband stayed home.  My husband is a sportsman and would go to his club/skeet shooting, that kind of thing on Wed, Saturday and Sunday afternoon.  Early in the morning,  while my husband was in his office,  I would try to get out to do a little  tracking.  Obviously depending on what was going on with my FIL, I did miss club a lot, but that couldn't be helped.   

WOW!