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Michelle, Wow, it is a small world. You are right, he is from the Drummonds and there was a huge scramble to get the dogs rehomed. We had no intentions of getting a Shiloh as I have always been a diehard GSD lover, but I have no regrets. He is a fantastic dog.  I honestly don't know much about the Drummond's breeding practices. The Drummonds were not ISSR breeders, so they were not regulated by Tina Barber, which means anything is possible. Josey, my Shiloh, was purchased by the Drummonds as a puppy from another breeder. Josey is pure ISSR Shiloh lines, but is not ISSR registered because the breeder broke away from Tina like many others. I hope this makes sense!

Makes sense to me - my girl was the same. She was born ISSR but her breeder dropped out and I never registered her.

So he is Outlaw Josey Wales or something like that. He sired a few litters, 2 of which were not planned that I know of. He's a very good looking dog. You got a great dog in him.

 "Babushka, what were the circumstances? And what's the dog's breeding?"

I don't want to cause a firestorm on forum I know little about, but Sunsilver there are several Shiloh Shepherds that are fear biters and other kinds of biters too.  You just won't read about them on the ISSR forum, but most of the long time and reputable breeders will know about this. I'm only saying this because I love Shiloh Shepherds as much as you do, but you're (innocently) writing something that is patently not true and it doesn't help your argument to say something that many people know isn't true.

The circumstance is that we had company and when our visitor walked past our ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, she jumped up and bit him in the butt. She did it intentionally with a growl and a snarl - a COMPLETE shock to me. I was/am horrified. She's always been very shy and sometimes fearful of new people and we've worked with her non-stop from the day we got her at 10 weeks old. She has been socialized almost every day of her life, and I'm not kidding. We will see a behaviorist and have talked at great length with the breeder and a few other Shiloh Shepherd owners.

Our dogs breeding is "excellent." It's not my intention to put down the breeder or the breeding program or Shiloh Shepherds, but I felt like it's wrong to NOT say something when I know there are fearful Shiloh Shepherds and some of them have bitten.

That was why I sent my girl back to her breeder - fear aggression. It happens. My girl was NB3 from Artus.

Thank you. I have no problem with hearing the truth, and it doesn't come as a surprise. I know that some Shilohs do have fear issues, so it's not a stretch to guess some of them will bite out of fear.

Babushka,
 
I am so sorry that you and Mysticwind had bad experiences with your Shilohs. I have no doubt what you are saying is true. I am sure there are some Shilohs that are shy, fear biters, etc. and it is not a bad thing to have the knowledge that they exist. What I find upsetting is that many think these are typical traits of the breed.

It's just like when I mention I have a German Shepherd to someone and they automatically think I have ferocious police dog that will bite anyone who crosses it's path. It's due to their own personal experience with a GSD or due to hearsay or misconception. Those GSDs exist, but most German Shepherds are not ready and waiting to pounce on and bite people.  Simply put the GSD in the minds of many is a dog that is mean, non-trust worthy and a biter.  Why do you think many insurance companies now will not insure your home if you have a GSD? It is an unfair, inaccurate perception of the GSD. I personally have known quite a few GSDs that are shy, fear biters, have weak nerves, etc., but htis is not the norm. I know undesirable traits are not a what any good breeder strives for, but it happens sometimes. I think many of  the people on this board have developed a misconception of what the Shiloh is all about, either based on personal experience or hearsay. Many jump at the chance to bash the breed because of it. They have made it sound like, for  whatever reason, that the Shiloh in general is fearful, shy, and even stupid, etc. I realize your intention was not to bash the breed, but instead to educate. 

When Josey, our Shiloh, was offered to us, my first response was, "No way!" One of the reasons is due to all the negative things I had heard on this board. Due to much persuasion from our friend who was fostering him, my husband flew up to NC to see him...and the rest is history.   Fear biting and shyness are definitely NOT traits that Tina Barber is trying to develop in the Shiloh breed. I am sorry your dog possesses these traits as it is something that is not easy to deal with at all.  Obviously it happens, but it is not intentional and not common. I sure hope that things work out for you and your pup.

The best,
Char