backyard breeders??? - Page 5

Sitasmom,I'll address yr's avice first,I,m sure she is knowledgeable about her thoughts.I have a female,extremely dominate to all dogs she does'nt know.Raised her from a pup she will be 6 in Oct completely confident in her alpha role.I put the female I purchased in the front yard which is fenced.The alpha female runs loose on my property,left it that way for a couple of weeks.The alpha dog tried her best to get a rise out of the other female thru the fence,but was never successful since the other dog had been neutralized to other dogs.When I allowed them to be together,the dominate female acted agressive with posture,I corrected it with a a tone of voice that the dominate female knows very well.They are now allowed to run free unsupervised and are fed a few feet apart with no problems.From what I can see,I'll say they are best friends.I can take several of my dogs for a walk in the woods,and they rip and run as a pack,but the SchH trained dog does not leave me to join them. As for what I do with the pups, the bedroom that I use is empty,carpet covered completely whelping box is the only thing in there.When pups can climb over the sides of the whelping box,usually around 3 weeks I start to feed them a gruel,kibble and goats milk with a dab of white cairo syrup blended to a cream soup so to speak.I use a short gate to confine them to the bedroom.When they are  eating good, I move them to an area outside that is fenced and has a roof over it, 16 x 30 ft..Be careful with the wire,the spacing has to be small enough that they can't get there heads thru it.The area is covered in wheat straw,they tend to use one end to do there business and the straw makes it easy and cheap to clean and replace.the gate to this enclosure is short enough for the dam to come and go as she pleases,I have a dusk to dawn street light that keeps it well lit. The cheap portable aluminum carports are great for this,just enclose with wire and its ready. In the winter I use a 12x24 heated storage building with access to a fenced yard, this jump starts house training.This maybe more info then you wanted,but here it is if you need it.Good luck,I know you'll do well,your to concerned not to.Btw my whelping box 48x48x16high with pig rail  made from 1/2 inch plywood  good supply of throw away sheets from the thrift store for bedding,Im not a fan of shredded news paper or wood chips. The real fun starts at 5 weeks you can start to see individual personalitys begin to develope,you can imprint a lot of things from this point forward, future training and enviornmental as well.

Max's book info:

I pulled out my hard cover edition of The Max vStephanitz book from 1925. (reprint 1994)

On the web site link, many of the statements are pulled out of paragraphs and used to make new paragraphs,
other sentences are left out etc.. (and paragraphs)

They are still good points and a nice website- but that is not the way Max wrote it.

example

website
"Dog breeding must be done by a dog-lover and cannot be a profession. The work of breeding service dogs must be the work of dog-lovers, (such as) the Shepherd with sheep breeds as a dog lover, for they have the desire to breed for exemplery, efficient and useful dogs."

book
"Dog breeding must be done by a dog-lover and cannot be a profession, as is the case with other animals, and a means of aquiring bread and butter. If it once becomes that, then it will be dog dealing that has nothing more to do with serious dog breeding, but on the other hand, too often has to do with the law. The work of breeding service dogs must, first and foremost, be the work of dog-lover. Shepherds and hunters breed as dog lovers, for they only have the desire to breed for exemplery, efficient and useful dogs." (and it continues)


Max also did not like kennels at all. - here's one

"The confinement of a dog to a kennel should be the exception, freedom the rule. " pg.453

(but thats probably a topic for a new thread.)

Sitasmom -

Max is talking about 8 week old pups:

"If as is possible in the country, the pups can run free in the yard and in the house and rooms as well, and can be taken on the road and in the fields without incurring any risk, everything will be quite satisfactory for some time.



hehe,
Lee

Lee has posted the most probable way for it to be , if you live in the country....I do  but to get to the point of 6 weeks to 8 weeks old you have to have access to a place ,,clean, safe, and able to be accessed with intelligence to keep clean and safe.....none of us can spend 24/7 in with them...but in a segregated place built for them   called   Kennels....you attain the age of 6- 8 weeks then you let them go free during most hours...interacting with them night and day.' 

A very famous breeder, told me   " never leave your pups for the first  36 hours"...and I do not..I have television , radio ,phones, ac, heat if needed   bed  , blanket, , pillow and then there are pups and the dam.....I rely on run fast to house for sandwich , soup ,,drinks......have a cooler on shelf with ice and drinks for each day.....rest of the dogs will see me later or sooner,,,which ever I can sneak out for their attentions....I never have but two litters in a year anyway so you learn how to do it ..

Once I did have a boo boo and two litters at christmas and I almost died from no  sleep  no sleep and worn out...

Yes,  I have three acres and they get indoctrinated at 5 weeks old....and I am worn out by the time they are back in their kennels..    they have eaten more pine cones, run races from each other,,,been in the water out the water, been over the logs and around the logs,, hidden in the grass and lost a time or two...play hide n seek behind the trees and when Ganny disappears it is so oooooooooooo   funny how the nose kicks in and they find me....
I grade the pups during these days in the woods and in the acreage and what they are able to do first and best....

a lot to do when you have a litter  Then there is the grandkids to come socialize them at a very early age ...This pic

Sitasmom,
Are you really planning on separating the adult female GSD's with baby gates?????

I figgured that I would keep the dogs seperated until after the puppies are gone......I have babby gates to keep the dogs seperated. I will have manage the dogs for a while

baby gates (gates are 3' tall) and space when we are home...........dogs are crated when we are away.

I just got laid off, so i'll be home most of the time.

i maybe be optimistic, i believe that after a few days, sita and hanny will be ok.

if not we will work harder to manage the dogs to keep them seperate.

i believe that biggest problem will be that sita will want to play mama.......and go through another false pregnance.

Sitasmom- Please save your pennies for the vet bills you will incur if you really believe these 2 bitches are going to be fine together. I have never known anyone that has had success with two intact females. We just re-stitched and put new drains in the neck of a dog, for the 4th time in 2 weeks because the owners refuse to seperate the 2 females. PS- My daughters little 6lb. japanese Chin can clear a baby gate, food for thought I think, don't you???????

Sitasmom,
Have you presold any of the puppies?  What is your plan to care for the ones that you can't sell or don't sell right away?   Are you going to breed Hanny to Hero next year?

Just curious,

Jim

Sitasmom,
               True some females never get along,but but don't be discouraged,some do I know that to be a fact. One 5yrs old , one 9 yrs old both intact. Not saying it will be your situation,but it works for meThey have to be pack members one and all or they will never get along.I answered your question about what I do with pups at four weeks above in case you missed it.

Jim

Have you presold any of the puppies?
Her pregnance has not been confirmed yet, we do not intend to advertise until we know we know we have some coming.
I bought Hanny already "serviced", which was not our prefernece, but we're just back yard breeders, down on the bayou, damn good thing them dogs like crawfish.........

What is your plan to care for the ones that you can't sell or don't sell right away?
 We will keep them, teach them, train them, make the perfect members of society, title them and eventyally sell them, feed them lots of crawfish in the meentime.

Are you going to breed Hanny to Hero next year?
Heck no, cousins is as close as we git down here on the bayou...........
Hero is not titled, he is not OFA certified and mostly Hanny is Hero's mother............
I bought Hero, because I really wanted Hanny, I had the chance to buy Hanny so I did.........

michael49
went back and read it - thanks for the suggestions.

Sitasmom- Perhaps I am wrong but I could swear you posted somewhere that you lived in Colorado??????????? I will have to go through and find that post.