help stop this "breeder" - Page 3

I would not do business with either one based on what I've seen on their websites.



But stop this breeder?

Please..............,
not gonna happen.

this breeder is improving her stock, slowly but surely.  not everyone can go out and buy an already titled proven VA dog and start breeding.  there are co-owned dogs which people do not see on her site.  dogs out of SCH3 import parents working lines, who are waiting in the wings to start training.  one liver sable even has attachments to Russ Osborn,  and he has no problem whatsoever training and titling this boy cause of his color. 

and I'm sorry, I've seen this breeder do far more culling of breeding stock based on health and temperment than I do from most.  And she is extremely picky about conformation too,  She'll pass on a dog just cause of its feet.  She just chooses to work with colors that most of the gsd breeding world find wrong. if thats the only issue you can find with her,  then you need to re-evaluate yourself.  go after the people who are breeding non health certified stock, and pumping out 5-6 litters at a time, no matter what the parents look like.

the first link I must admit the color thing doesn't help much , but thats not solely what I based my opinion on.

as for the title of this thread, that is how it was passed along to me. The idea was just to make people aware and pass it along. I only became aware of this site after visiting this BYBs site where she gives a link claiming she is breeding dogs like Horand von Grafrath and if you look at her site she is not doing so.

Responsible buying is just as important as responsible breeding. So I think its important for people to be aware of "breeders" who act like they are reputable when in fact they are not.

in response to this Uber land "breeder" I have to say, anyone studing a dog out to her unproven bitches is also not reputable. Anyone breeding dogs with only good pedigrees and not proving those dogs is also not reputable.

Yes there are breeders out there who do no titles or health tests but someone ignoring the breed standard and not properly proving their dogs is just as bad because someone looking for a puppy with limited knowledge will mistake her for a good breeder and that is what she is counting on.

as for lack of proof, look at her website. she is no longer working on herding because there is no trainer available. She is only training OB. Look at the listed titles on her dogs, most have none the others only have a CGC and one also has a CD title -- no working titles and yet all over her site she is promoting working dogs.

I've seen many make the claim that schutzhund isn't the be all and end all and would agree that it is a minimal test of a dog's ability but is no requirement better than a minimal one?  At the end of the day, I really don't care what you breed or how much you rationalize to convince yourselves that it's ok but don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me you're doing it for the betterment of the breed and don't expect me to legitimize your bad decisions.

There is always an alternative to cutting corners and making bad breeding decisions: don't breed.  Too many people come to this forum looking for reasons to breed their dogs and for others to validate them when all of us should be looking for reasons not to breed our dogs.  The dog for whom you can't find any such reason is truly the exception and that is what we should be looking for.

very well put Keith

My problem is,  (help stop this).

Do you have any idea how many websites just like these are out there?
Or how many people breed animals of all kinds for better or worst?

You can't stop this, and honestly you don't have that right.

You don't have to like it or offer any help promoting them, but you don't have the right to be judge and jury or make changes to another's life.

Some folks might not be inclined to let it pass, you never know who your dealing with at all.

Do the best you can do and don't worry about what others do.
It's not very productive.

Well said Moons.

The whole point of this is that the OP by posting is in effect trying to ruin the reputation of this Breeder no doubt about that, Of course we do not believe in breeding from Colours which are not in the breeding criteria, But she has the Hips etc certified and she is finding work for her Dogs no one is saying it cannot be improved but she is not a breeder which should be chastised there are a great many worse ones out there doing it for the Money only
I have many times set out what i require from my Dogs and myself before i would ever breed from them.
More than very nearly most people would do, But thats the way i look at myself I cannot judge everyone, there wants are different from mine
Steve1