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Hi Michelle is there a problem with them that most are aggresive and dont have stable nerves?  I dont know mmuch about the breed seen them but never spent any time with them or tryed to learn anything about them.  All the adversiments about them make them out to be what a gsd should be the page i read on a breeders page make it sound like they want a perfect gsd but not a gsd.  I know it sounded weird to me to why not just find a gsd line you like and go from there?  I dont want to see these dogs marketed as gsd in and improved and they are all screwed up in the head hurt some kid and now everyone hates all real gsd thats the only concern i have with them.  You are the first person who has had a personal relationship with one i have heard from.  Other than giveing real gsds a bad un earned rep i could care less what bs they are doing with them.

I used to go to many Shiloh shows both ISSR and non - the last one had just ISSR dogs and two of the puppies (6-8 mos I'd say) shied away from being petted and hid behind their owners - their fear was very evident. Their looks also seem to vary widely now - some have really curly tails, snipey/Collie type heads and floppy ears, yet are still bred. Some breeders still breed on little to no health testing. I know of many with flawed temperaments that still get bred. Some do have nice stable temperaments, but I have personally met quite a few that did not. I haven't been IN the breed as much in the last few years, but I still keep an eye on upcoming breedings and have yet to be wowed. And the flaws are in both ISSR and non ISSR Shilohs. Some of the things I have learned about Shilohs would keep many pet owners away from them! But I still have hope that the few breeders who actually seem to be trying to improve the health and temperament of the Shiloh will someday produce a puppy I'd like. Until then I will stick to GSDs.

Michelle

If you dont mind me asking what made you want one instead of a gsd in the first place ?  Was there some thing you was looking for that you didnt think a gsd could give you?  Just curious about it

Actually I was drawn to the size of the Shiloh and the long hair. Plus they were bred to be a mellower dog - I had thought a GSD would require more activity than I was able to provide. I even looked at Kings at the time too. I got my Shiloh in 2003 and later that same year I adopted my first GSD from a shelter, albeit an oversized long coat. I then started rescuing and fostering GSDs and placing them in new homes. I fostered many different types of GSDs. After sending my Shiloh back to her breeder I knew I wanted to eventually have another Shepherd, but was torn as to whether it would be a GSD or a Shiloh.

Last year I decided to actually get another Shepherd pup and I came very, very close to getting a Shiloh again. But I was looking for a pup with more drive this time around and not a couch potato - alot of Shilohs are of the couch potato type. The litter I was eyeing was to be very low drive so I passed and inquired about the next breeding, but the lines of the bitch were not lines I wanted to touch since I knew that there were problems with alot of the dogs in her pedigree. I got back to looking at GSDs and found a puppy advertised on here actually that was a west german showline with plenty of drive and great bone. I was blown away by her self confidence and attitude when I met her that I knew she was the one. She is now 9 months old and despite having a bladder infection forever that took massive meds to clear up she is everything I wanted.

She's standard sized, so to me she seems "small", but her personality and temperament is rock solid stable. I knew I had a better chance of getting a great temperament if I went with a GSD, in Shilohs it is still too easy to get a dog with an unstable temperament. There is still a part of me that wants to "try again" with a Shiloh someday and I might if the timing was right and the right breeding was out there. But it's just so hard to find that in Shilohs and so much easier to find it in GSDs.

Michelle

Sounds like if you could find a gsd with a long coat and a little tall with the colors you like you would be golden?  Thats not realy hard to find that one of the cool things about gsds.  There are so many breeds and types now they come in all shapes and sizes and colors.  I understand the size i like big dogs that are healthy and my newest girl is 2 now and is in the bottom of the standard she seems small to me.  Glad you got one you like with this girl you got and thank you for helping find dogs in need a good home.  I just dont understand why people are trying to create a new breed that is so close to a breed already dont make since to me.  Why waste you time trying to find a solution to a problem that dont exist all you have to do is look sounds like my dad has a male gsd that you would love.

The nice thing about having done rescue is that I got to "try out" various types of GSDs. From American showline type to a Czech bred working line type. From that I knew which type better suited me. But yeah if I got another GSD I'd like a long hair and to be on the larger side and I know they pop up in litters escpecially showline ones. My girl is plushy, but her coat is nowhere near like my long haired old guy.

I just think having a dog registered as 2 different breeds leads to alot of confusion for people new to Shilohs. I mean they are trying to point out that Shilohs are not GSDs and here you have a person claiming their dog to be both. In reality the dog is a GSD, but comes from the same GSD lines that the Shiloh breed founder used to create the Shiloh. The Ayers dogs also come from those lines, but they are AKC GSDs. Selah Shepherds also come from those lines and are bred as AKC GSDs. It's just this one dog they decided to register as both. But really is an oversized, long coated GSD.

Michelle

So then how often are dogs registered as both a Shiloh and a GSD or a King and a GSD?  I thought Shilohs and Kings were mixed?

Please note: Approximately 7000 puppies were born at Shiloh Shepherds Kennel prior to the selection of Tina's Fabulous Four foundation lines


The above from the Shiloh shepherd site...  I'm actually at a loss for words! Doesn't happen to me often!  LOL.

NoCurs, what is your problem with that? Tina has been breeding since the early '60s. Her goals for breeding changed over the years. Her original focus was schutzhund and personal protection dogs.  That changed shortly before she broke with the AKC. She began breeding a softer, lower energy dog that would be safe with small children and the elderly.

And let me repeat this: as I have often said,

NO TRUE SHILOH SHEPHERD HAS BEEN REGISTERED AS A GSD SINCE 1990!  If you see a dual-registered dog, it is a FAKE!

Sun what do you say about the temperment above they said that the dogs were unstable and did not have proper temperment is that been your experance also?