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by yankee girl on 18 April 2010 - 01:04
a 10 x 10 kennel run is too small for 2 dogs to be in. scoop it 2 x a day. vinegar ( 1 cup per gal of water) for the kennel runs will get rid of the smell. i would soak the kennels well with water, let the mixture sit for 15 mins, then rinse extreemly well. you may have to do this several times. it should then be done a few times a week. scooping then every 3 days is definatly not enough. they can not possibly get to stand on clean ground.
i would take the crates outside, scrub the heck out of them with a good cleaner (even dish soap), rinse then i would bleach them out, rinse well and even use the vinegar mixture, let sit and rinse well.
by Domenic on 18 April 2010 - 11:04
by beast on 18 April 2010 - 14:04
A word of warning- dogs on proper food typically (relax- there are exceptions do don't jump on me) don't need their anal glands expressed and doing this can cause more harm than good. I would NOT do this unless you see clear reasons to do so- scooting, etc.
The dogs don't stink- their stuff does. I wonder why? Unless it is just on their feet, if they're using one specific area as a bathroom. Yeast smells more like...corn chips. LOL. "Arse" leads me to believe it has something to do w/stuff they are walking in and depositing in their beds.
I don't think I'll be trying to express their anal glands. I've seen this done on a Pug....yuck! I'll ask my vet about it. I think I'll be taking them for their annual a bit early, this smell is horrible and I wouldn't want them to go untreated if something was wrong.
You have an excellent point about them tracking it into the house! I can't believe I made no correlation between the two places, lol. Common sense alludes me sometimes! I'll try cleaning both places, then focus on keeping the run clean.....I'm sure that'll help - it seems logical to me at least :)
Thanks for the tips 4pack and Sunsilver! It makes sense that dirt, grease and dead skin would eventually get caked to the crate. We've been cleaning them out with Lysol spray about once a month, but we'll switch to ammonia or vinegar and start cleaning them once a week to see if that makes a difference. If this extra cleaning effort doesn't help, something must be wrong with them. Could stress contribute to the smell? We just moved to a new town a couple weeks ago. I thought they were adjusting quite well, but maybe that's a misconception.
A 10 X 10 is too small for two dogs.
You must clean daily, I clean twice a day when dogs stay kenneled, pick up the solids and hose down the surfaces daily.
Give the dogs time out of the kennel to do their business, most dogs would rather pick a new spot each time.
Do not use Lyme, and chips will only stay wet and cause more problems, my dogs are on bare ground.
A shovel and a garden hose with a little time and sunshine would probably be enough once you get the ground clean.
You can spray a mixture of bleach and Borax on the ground but it must later be rinsed and left to dry before you put your dogs on it.
Use cedar shavings in the bedding, after you have bathed the dogs at least once.
Thanks for the advice TwoMoons; Just wondering, what do you feel is an appropriate size for a dog run?
We only let them in the kennel one at a time (with supervision) to pee and pooh. They're not in it for more then 5 minutes and certainly don't get their daily exercise in it! We do take them for walks during the day....but I must admit, we rely on the kennel as a "toilet" out of sheer laziness. We definitely could walk the dogs around the yard or neighborhood, it would just take a bit more time on our part. But, if our kennel is inappropriate for them, we may have to look into some changes. If anyone could offer more insight on this topic, it would be appreciated. (I may have to start a new thread about this)
Thank you for bringing this to light for me TwoMoons, you've certainly sparked my interest!
by beast on 18 April 2010 - 14:04
I like the idea of vinegar as opposed to chemical based substances, thank you very much for the correct water-vinegar ratio.
I just wanted to clear up to quantity of poop that I feel some of you may be perceiving. They NEVER have to stand in poop, or even come close to standing in poop. That's disgusting and horrible! The poop never gets to that point, but I usually let it build up to about 5-6 poops(total), then clean it. I'd never make them go through standing in turds - plus that would mean I'd have to wash my floors every time they came back inside....no thanks, lol. I wasn't aware that we weren't cleaning it often enough, but I'm glad I've been told otherwise. I can't gaurantee that I'll do it 2x a day, but I'll definitely be cleaning it once a day. Hubby bought me a nice metallic purple pooper-scooper yesterday, so I've no excuses!!
I feel so bad for not doing it often enough - here I was all "up my own butt" thinking that I cleaned my pen more often then most. I have a lot to learn!
beast,have you smelled inside the dogs ears?What you describe(other than cleaning poo every 3 days which is probably the one thing that WILL get you in trouble with your neighbours and never mind the flies you will have in the summer chewing your dogs ears)sounds like what I smell when my allergic boy starts to get a yeast infection in the ear.Also,clean there bedding regularly and the only other thing that comes to mind is diet.Certain foods can cause this as well .Depending what grade of chicken fat they're using,it can smell horrible.Other things(flavouring etc)in the food can also contribute to it.Also the urine causes that amonia type smell ESPECIALLY if you dont clean up REGULARLY.Hope this helps.Good luck with your GSD'
I groom my dogs once a week, that includes ears and nails!
I do know the smell you're talking about ( I knew a cocker spaniel with his ears sealed shut due to infection). The crates smell similar to that, but not nearly as concentrated. The best way to describe it : "feet".
by beast on 18 April 2010 - 14:04
Borax, Bleach, Vinegar, Lime....which one is better for removing smells and how hazardous are these substances to my dogs if indirectly exposed to them? I would like to know which product is best to use inside/outside.
Are Cedar chips safe for dogs if ingested? How functional would it be to use wood chips if you're in a windy/stormy climate?
Sorry for all the questions, you guys are a wealth of knowledge!
by AKGeorgias mom on 18 April 2010 - 14:04
Vinegar is a great all-purpose cleaner and I use it on lots of things. It really neutralizes the ammonia smell of urine. I don't have a kennel run, but I've noticed that if a dog tends to always use the same spot to urinate it tends to get a strong odor - we have one tree in the front yard that is apparently the neighborhood marking post, and I do have to spray it with vinegar and water in the summer. Probably 5 or 6 dogs stop there a day and if it weren't right on the edge of the road I'd fence it off.
Opal
by HtHs on 18 April 2010 - 20:04
If you are using the kennel area for a potty place only & the dogs don't have to stay in there for hours at a time, then the 10x10 is fine.
I had a similar set up, small corner of the yard that was used as the "bathroom" for up to 5 dogs. I kept it picked up & they only used it to potty. I never had any problems.
by LadyGirl on 25 August 2010 - 21:08
I would recommend taking the dogs for regular walks so that they can defecate outside of their kennel. Problem solved. No poop in the kennel equals no poop smell near the house!
by dogshome9 on 26 August 2010 - 00:08
by LadyFrost on 26 August 2010 - 12:08
I was told to feed digestive enzymes to help dogs digest their food (it was not an issue of smell but seeing whole chunks of food in their poop and it did smelled BAD) if your dogs inhale food they they are not chewing it, and not processed food will smell....so this may help with odor..
from personal experience of fur smell... my male dog is a bit on a stinky side...dish washing soap dawn solved the issue for me, his fur always felt oily and after 2-3 days he would start to smell..so washing with w/ dawn 1 a week reduced amount of oil on the fur, also during summer to prevent flies landing on their ears or gnats (which seem to always circle wet dogs) right after bathing i spray them with Bronco spray and it makes them smell like lemon grass and keeps every bug away...I also spray some on their bed..so my house always smells like lemon grass...i am sure this won't solve your problem but it can help with the smell until you find a permanent solution...
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