NASS 2010 Entry Deadline Reminder - Page 2

Yes, I have heard of people wanting to keep the entries a secret for that very reason- I dunno- just seems ridiculous to me, but my livelihood is not dependent on my dogs or their placings in shows. This is fun for me... Theresa

As it should be, Theresa; fun and an opportunity for an objective assessment of your dog(s).

So is the progeny group section on the entry form to help the org in their calculation and wouldn't listing the progeny groups potentially give away some of the working class dogs?

The working classes will be posted once the entries close as I understand.

We think the same way....although, we do take our dogs "seriously"...it is our passion, not our livelihood.
We show & compete period.....whether or not "whos who & whats what" is competing...
See you there Thesesa...BEST WISHES!
Robin

Sounds great! See you there! Best of luck to you too! :-) Theresa

I think you're right, seby, but don't understand the point of showing a progeny class for a dog that is in neither the working or veterans class.

Keith...some dog owners "retire" their dogs from the Show venues...but they are still being used as stud dogs, and are still being considered by other breeders.....so.. 'progeny" is one of the best ways to determine how the specific dog produces (along with other considerations). Some stud dogs have "passed on"...but their progeny is still available...
It's supposed to be one of the "breeder's tools" in determining future breeding plans & goals......
Well...that's my opinion anyway...
Robin

A few years ago I got a letter asking my dog to be presented for a progeny group.  His sire is in Germany.  My assumption was that the kennels in the US that bred to him wanted to show off the dogs in a progeny group as far as how he was producing his type and consistency in the litters, and/or that it might help the stud dog get better placements later on in Germany.  Some judges feel they need to see progeny in order to really evaluate the dog for higher placements in the working class or VA ratings.  The judges at the WDA shows are also the judges in Germany so they can see progeny here just as well.  The dog doesn't need to be in THIS particular show for a judge to see progeny and have it effect the dog's placement in other shows.  It's not like the big AKC shows where the Best in Show judges are sequestered and aren't supposed to know who's in the ring until they enter.

"Some judges feel they need to see progeny in order to really evaluate the dog for higher placements in the working class or VA ratings."
 
As it should be, I think.  We've all seen very nice dogs who couldn't reproduce themselves.

"The judges at the WDA shows are also the judges in Germany so they can see progeny here just as well. The dog doesn't need to be in THIS particular show for a judge to see progeny and have it effect the dog's placement in other shows."

Ok, this makes sense to me now...of course.