VA Rating out of Untitled female..??? - Page 2

I know he didn't but logically if a dog has no papers it can not be shown.. let along getting a VA rating.

I went by the CMKU and Suchno and for some reason I was under the impression that the rules are the same..I was wrong.
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Why wouldn't the dog have papers?  I don't think there are any rules that required titles and/or koers in the USA.  Whether or not it is acceptable is another story but I don't really think the AKC cares since they don't print SchH or HGH titles or KKls on their papers anyway.  Does the dog HAVE to be SV registered to go VA in the USA?  Maybe that is the issue?...

"In 1983 Hermann Martin wanted to make Putz V Arjakjo VA but he put him back to V1 because his mother had no Sch H title. The mother, at nine years of age, was trained and passed her Sch h 1 test and the following year Putz made VA4.

Mackenzie"

Interesting quote from Karl Fueller regarding  his VA 3 Xitta vom Kirschental that is in a similar vein:

" 'Xitta' was a pure working dog with the sheep, when I presented her for the first time at the HZS, where she achieved V4 in the GHKL. At the evaluation, quote the Bundeszuchtwart, Hermman Martin: " I would have placed this dog VA, had she also had a SchH title, not just the HGH." Thereupon, I had Edzard Müller train "Xitta" through SchH3 IPO3 FH. The following year, "Xitta" achieved VA3." 

Also if I recall correctly, there was a dog from one of the Danish kennels a few years ago that had been all but given a final place in the VAs when it was discovered in the judges tent that the dog's dam was not breed surveyed, and the dog was moved back to V 1.

Liesjers...

As I said I was mistaken. A dog bred under the rules in Czech Republic, Slovakia will not have papers unless the parents are both breed worthy under the rules.
That is why only titled and Bredsurveyed dogs go to breeding program. Unless it changed over the last 10 years. I believePrager would know or some other people from my country.
If dog is not breed worthy, the puppies will NOT have papers..

that is why I deducted that no papers, no show... so logicaly no show rating unles you attempt "oroskiadu-vorsikiadu" where compete dogs without papers but it is more for fun sine the competition is against any type breed, cross breed.

I was just mistaken and my deductions were based on non relevant knowkledge. I like slovakian system because unless both the parents are proven.. NO PAPERS.. in some peoples' views: Mutts.. you can compete in NZR but not n high level utside of the country since there is no proof of pedigree...



That is all, I didn't mean to creade another debate.. I was just wrong and I was corrected and educated.. now I know more

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Oh I didn't think you were wrong, I just didn't see where Ruger specified what country the dog was born/registered in.  I was assuming it was in the USA.  Unfortunately there are no regulations about what titles a dog must have before progeny can be registered (I wish!).  Dogs in the USA are registered with the American Kennel Club (AKC) and they don't always have the breeds' best interest at heart, as long as you will pay them money for the right papers and to register dogs, it doesn't matter whether the dogs are titled or not.

"The mother, at nine years of age, was trained and passed her Sch h 1 test"

hell of a mother dog, proves that an old dog can learn new tricks

9 and after at least a few litters, the dam was able to title, pretty cool,

I was in the same position! My girls mother was untitled @ her first litter! father was va! her mother recieved her schtz 1  a year after her first litter now my girl is eligible to go va!

" 'Xitta' was a pure working dog with the sheep, when I presented her for the first time at the HZS, where she achieved V4 in the GHKL. At the evaluation, quote the Bundeszuchtwart, Hermman Martin: " I would have placed this dog VA, had she also had a SchH title, not just the HGH." Thereupon, I had Edzard Müller train "Xitta" through SchH3 IPO3 FH. The following year, "Xitta" achieved VA3."

Funny...I thought a HGH was a working title..why did he ask for Sch??  HGH is supose to be as good as a SCH. title no??

"HGH is supose to be as good as a SCH. title no??"

It is for a breed survey or a V show rating, but apparently not for a VA at the Sieger Show.