Malinios are all prey...lol

by Sam Spade on 10 July 2010 - 03:07

Jim, Appreciate the offer, but no. No, I can still find a good GSD. I can still find a good Dobermann for that matter. I was just saying that as everyday passes, the pool drains slowly. It's kind of sad. This thread and a couple others on here made me think about the breed. I've been training for a while and I know you have too. There are way more shitters out there than nice dogs. Looking at the GSD breed as a whole, what percentage do you believe you would own? Don't get me wrong, Jim. I know not everyone wants the same thing, but I thought that is why there are different breeds for different temperments.

by Sam Spade on 10 July 2010 - 03:07

Jim, Appreciate the offer, but no. No, I can still find a good GSD. I can still find a good Dobermann for that matter. I was just saying that as everyday passes, the pool drains slowly. It's kind of sad. This thread and a couple others on here made me think about the breed. I've been training for a while and I know you have too. There are way more shitters out there than nice dogs. Looking at the GSD breed as a whole, what percentage do you believe you would own? Don't get me wrong, Jim. I know not everyone wants the same thing, but I thought that is why there are different breeds for different temperments.

by Get A Real Dog on 10 July 2010 - 04:07

What's the old saying about opinions........?

If someone can't see the aggression in Villier, I am not quite sure what to say.

As for Endor (the second dog) yes there is some handler stress there, but I can guarantee not toward the deccoy.

A little history on the dog is the handler handling him (30 year 2nd generation KNPV trainer with multiple titled dogs) got him because he ate up at least one other handler I believe it was more than one. So yeah there were some "extreme measures" taken with this dog for control and handler aggression.

This dog was in the US for a short time and I spoke to his owner several times. (Still kickiin myself for not getting a pup from him)

No Curs--i was going to write to you when there was a thread about Pit's and another about in-breeding. You are an absolute breath of fresh air to this forum. I know you are very into positive training techniques. I myself have started using Mike Ellis style training on all my club dogs. I will post some vids in the next month I think you will enjoy.

However, there are dogs in this world, esp if you get them as adults, that will hurt you very bad if you try that stuff with them. This dog is one of them.

Didn't start this to get into a pissing match with anyone. Just to show a couple of good Mals. If someone can't see the aggression well they can't see it. There is more to aggression than just a bark and yes prey is often very misunderstood :)

by poseidon on 10 July 2010 - 12:07

Thanks GARD, I like all three videos clips.

The close guarding and deep intrusive rhythmic barking of the first two videos (of Villier) seems to me less of prey guarding but more seriousness in the B&H exercise as it should be.

There was one time I sat next to some very knowledgeble breeders and trainers from Holland and Germany during the BSP, and even though I did not understand the language, just by watching and listening to their expressions during the B&H from participating dogs, taught me a great deal real fast :) Not to say, I am now an expert but I can appreciate the seriousness in display of some of these dogs.

The last video (of Endor) I particularly enjoyed watching is a good dog going through the routine exercise in compliance under immense control from the handler. (and he seem a good one at it). There is good stress and bad ones (characterised in the demeanor of the dog), and I see here a serious dog showing much clear headedness yet under these stress conditions in training.

GARD you should kick yourself hard again for not saving a pup from his offspring!

by Sam Spade on 10 July 2010 - 14:07

Don't know how I posted the same reply three times???---------------------------------------------------- GARD, I watched a couple of vids of Villier. He's Ok! ;) Thought I was going to see something that would blow me away since you added "lol". One thing I always think about in ring is that damn guard. Makes the dog so vulnerable to a serious situation. Don't get me wrong, Sch has stuff that make me go hmmm!

by zdog on 10 July 2010 - 18:07

I think he needs a collar loosened

by Wise Guy on 10 July 2010 - 21:07

Isn't there a message board for "Mali People"?

You're wasting your time picking on a different breed. If you are happy with your own c hoices, why do you waste your time razzing other people? It's not a contest, anyway.

Just go out and enjoy your dog!

by sueincc on 10 July 2010 - 22:07

Wise Guy: this is an all breed forum, not just a GSD forum. Look on the upper left hand side of your screen, under the column titled "Forums". This is the "General Topic" forum. Below that you can see "German Shepherd" and if you click on it, you will be taken to the section specifically for GSDs. It's a little bit confusing, but this should help you.

I do see your point about this not being a contest, and I agree with you there, and will add the sarcasm can be a bit tiresome, but what can you do - some people are not balanced, maybe sometimes too much aggression through defense, and not enough prey drive!!

by VomMarischal on 11 July 2010 - 00:07

This is the all-breed part of PDB.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 11 July 2010 - 07:07

Quote: If someone can't see the aggression in Villier, I am not quite sure what to say.

I don't see it. I see frustration, but not aggression.

Quote: This dog was in the US for a short time and I spoke to his owner several times. (Still kickiin myself for not getting a pup from him)

Probably still can. I can ask if he is being bred. I will say this, he has not produced that well overall. His offspring take their time coming around more often than not, and then while the others at ____ months are kicking in, there are a lot that never ever do.

Might be something you would risk though, as the duds I saw are good pets. No issues or weirdness, other than having a father like that, and being what they are. LOL

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