what do u think of .vandenheuvelk9!! - Page 2

I misread it, but seriously Steve, how does approaching a kennel tell you if they are on the up and up?  Do you think they have a red flag waving that says, we are not trustworthy?

And this habit of yours, of judging everyone negatively that disagrees with you, tells loads of your scruples.   You can keep them.

Red Sable
I did not ask any one to agree or disagree with me i simply posted a reply to TROY, and you picked me up on my post I really do not know where some of you are coming from
If you go to a Breeder to ask about a Pup they have for sale, and they answer every question you put to them satisfactory,
Why then do you have to put it on a Forum You may get a few who have dealt with the said kennel, and they may have good or bad things to say about it
BUT tell me this WHY should you believe what they tell you any more than the owner of the Kennel already has
If the Kennel is straight foreword with you it is then up to you to decide if you trust them or not, No one on a Forum can or should make up your mind for you
If you are still not sure about the Kennel after the owner has told you all you want to know then walk away it is that easy
On this forum there is too much of this sort of thing going on, and as far as i know this TROY has not said he or she has approached the Kennel direct that is why i posted as i did, It is no refection on you
ONE thing is certain if i ever breed a Litter from IZZY once she is titled and hopefully Korclassed, Unless i personally know the person who wants a Pup living in the USA, then it will not go overseas, they will remain this side of the Pond,
And if there is no buyer i will give them away to good homes local over here, But that would never happen, for i will advertise well in front of the actual breeding with full details of the Parents for the Father of the Pups will be a Top WUSV grade Dog and Korclassed. and if i did not get the interest in the Puppies then the breeding would never take place
With what i have read about Kennels or  breeders being ripped apart on this Forum it will not happen to me because no one will get the chance of a Pup even if they are interested, Here is one Guy who will not take the chance
Steve1

I agree with Red  Sable. Nothing was posted to bash the kennel. Something like this happened to me today. A general question was asked about a trainer that I personally have dealt with in the past. I responded to the person. I didnt say one bad thing about the guy, I just recommended the owner go elsewhere and gave him names.

When your in the business of dogs you have contacts for this and that. If your not in the biz then you hope you get what you pay for. If the breeder is on the up and up like Prager for instance, people are happy to refer and both sides win. Positive comments were made about this kennel so hopefully the poster will feel confident.

**Poster** I would add that whoever you choose, make sure you have a good repour with the breeder. You will be dealing with this person for the life of your dog. If they dont want to deal with you for the life of the dog, then find a breeder who does.

Steve,

It is the puppy buyers responsibility to do their homework.  Of course they should speak with the kennel directly, but what kennel that is in the business of selling dogs is going to say well you know about 50 % of my pups have bad hips even though the parents certifications check out..  Of course any breeder who has been in the business long enough will have the right answers DUH!   And as far as this forum goes there are a ton of experienced people on here who could give out valuable info on alot of kennels in the US  I checked out the kennel I bought my pup from by speaking to the owners directly, and then checked references and I still ended up with a dysplastic pup with EPI, it is a crap shoot for sure.  Even when you do your home work.

So relax!

Exactly.  I guess in your world, Steve, it would never make sense to check a prospective employee's references either because, hey, he seemed ok in the interview!  Somebody needs to tell Angie's list that they're obsolete.

Oh and yes VanDenheuvel has changed hands and moved to the east coast.  Not sure how involved Dari still is in the kennel if at all. 

I agree with redSable you need to find out what you can before you purchase.  Its just smart shopping before investing

I agree with Steve for the most part.  People need to do their own research.  It's ok to ask around for reputation, but make your own decisions.  Because you don't know what other people are looking for and what they believe to be good.  I've gotten bad recommendations in the past for certain things, and now I still ask, but I take it with a grain of salt.

I drove from IL to OR to get a dog from them.I have nothing but good things to say about Dari and John.They were the nicest family and cared about the dogs. Their place was immaculate and the dogs were unbelievably well cared for. I have kept in touch with them through the years and they always return my calls or emails.

You may think you  are some clever people posting replies on here, But no so,
Not one of you have mentioned the Fact that this Guy did not SAY anywhere that he had directly gone to this Kennel and asked them
He is therefore basing his Judgment of this Kennel solely on what you Guys on this Forum tell him about the Kennel,
That is wrong in my book but it seems not in yours,
Perhaps if anyone of you replying to this post and are in favour of the way this person does business finding out about a kennel,and breed a litter of Pups yourself and i get wind of it then i too will ask the same questions on this Forum
We will be sure to get a few Negative comments as well as good ones, But the questions i will raise will make some of your hair stand on end if i think you are selling and not doing the job that meets my criteria in breeding a litter of Pups and i will not hold back on what i have to say, we will see to the future By rights the one i am asking about should not reply to my Post  because there will be nothing wrong in me doing it, that is what is being said on here we will see if the occasion arises
It seems that the ideas of some of you in the USA, are far different than mine but we will see i will be keeping an check on the replies above for future reference, Then we will see what reaction we get from the one who does it, if it happens of course

Keith Grossman 
you will never get a reputable firm go onto a Public Forum to check a persons credentials, They will go DIRECT to his past employers as they should do they will not go on second hand talk, Unless that too happens where you live, and i guess it must do for you to put it into print
The whole point i am making is this and you Guys do not get it because i guess that is the way you act yourselves
TROY did not say he had aproached this Kennel at all but was going only what you Guys tell him on here and you think he is right in doing so, and i can only think you act the same way yourselves in a similar situtation
 Just for that one reason alone i myself would never deal in anything including dogs with the above posters of this thread I would stay well away from anything you had to sell That is if i lived in the same country
Steve1