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Uberland,

Beautiful female, I wish I had a nearby breeder whose goal is not dollars.

Ibrahim

I have said before
Where is the concrete proof that this Breeder is catching the Public, As for you being a member of the State Police you should know better and to be honest you do not do that profession a lot of good by stating what you have, You are way out of order, too much of this discrediting is being done to Breeders or individuals for no other reason that the Poster probably has an issue with them, and it is wrong
100% Proof  is needed before you speak out, In this case you do not have 1% proof, Fight your battles the right way not on a forum to help you, I find these sort of threads very distasteful indeed
Steve1

Steve1,

I envy you on your courage and your determination, really.

Ibrahim

Certainly there are many worse breeders and it isn't possible to forbid them from doing what they're doing but the OP makes a valid point.  Adherence to the standard admittedly takes a lot of work and can be expensive and some people are unable or unwilling to commit to that extent.  Whether or not they love their dogs or take good care of them is not the issue; breeding for the betterment of the breed is and if you choose not to, you should expect some well deserved criticism.

Those of you who are quick to criticize someone who is passionate about the preservation of our breed in defense of someone who is knowingly and willingly bastardizing it may want to reassess your priorities.

Nothing wrong in what this Breeder is doing with the Dogs The Dogs are Hip surveyed, That to me is the most important priority in any person Breeding these Dogs, She is finding work for them to do nothing wrong in that
doing that will test to a point the temperament of her Dogs when under a little Stress all Dogs sitting on a Couch will display a sound temperament it is when that same Dog is put under pressure that unwanted traits appear,
She is breeding a few Livers not in the Regulations but nothing wrong elsewhere that i can see of Far worse Breeders out there than this one The Person thinks a lot of her Dogs, No i still think the OP is wrong it bringing it up
Steve1

We'll have to agree to disagree on these points, Steve.  In my world, I don't get to independently assess my dogs' working ability, structure and/or suitability for breeding; an objective, independent judge does that.  Perhaps your attitude on the subject would be different if you lived in a country where hundreds of thousands of unwanted dogs, many undoubtedly bred by "breeders" who aren't as bad as some others, were being slaughtered in shelters every year.

Either way, the OP has every right to voice his/her opinion despite whoever may or may not agree with it.

 Never thought I would say this, but for once I have to agree with UberLand.
Sure, her program may not be what I would prefer (and yes, the op has every right to voice his opinion)
but really???? It warrants dragging her name through the mud on an international forum????

Yes, Of course he does in one respect, But do not forget in doing so without 100 % proof that this is a bad breeding Kennel and by reading what i have it is not for a good reputation can soon be ruined
. I know we do not access our Dogs in anything they do in work but she or he is getting jobs for the Dogs and at least they are Joint Survey a lot of breeding kennels are not
As to unwanted Dogs Yes, it is a Sin but worse Kennels than this one will keep churning them out, and the reason there are more unwanted Dogs in the USA than here in Belgium is simple
You can Fit Belgium in one corner of one of your States, The vastness of the USA will dictate more unwanted animals,
I really wish there was an International Standard that could be put into force regards a Person Breeding Dogs but it will not happen in my time, It is laid down now, but i mean in a smaller frame work where a bigger check can be carried out in areas but thinking it is good, putting it into practice and be viable is not so easy
So what it boils down to is that any person wanting to purchase a Dog must do there homework throughly on a Kennel first, Leave no stone unturned to find out and take your time doing it, 'For Those in Haste go No Where' as said to me years ago by my Karate Master
Steve1

So is this: http://www.raebark.info/ a good breeder too, Steve?

'For Those in Haste go No Where' 

What a great saying. Will have to use that myself.

I went to the site and I do give the woman credit for xraying and working the dogs. HOWEVER I personally have a problem breeding dogs that she knows are not acceptable to the breed standard (ie color). To me there is NO reason to breed for color that is an oddity. Those would be the first pups I would cull. I certainly wouldnt be breeding them. A no no in my book.

As for the poster: You left yourself open to criticize since the board does not know you and your reasons are vague as to why you feel the breeder wronged you. The term "working dog" as you know is a term often used to sell dogs but one few really understand. I had this conversation with someone yesterday and he didnt get it at all. In defense of the breeder here, I wouldnt think that her dogs would make ideal police dogs since she doesnt show in this venue. I dont remember reading that she does any sort of schutzhund training or training that involves courage of this nature so the buyer need do their homework first. Ive raised stock dogs so although they need courage against what they are driving, its not the same.

A breeder can say anything they want but its the bloodlines that backs that up.