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Sunsilver, That male is a fear biter, you are correct. I know some people that will cross them and they get what they wanted and they do there research on the matter. It is that this person relies on breeding whatever gsd he can find to support his lifestyle. I believe that is wrong.

So does this mean that the people that cross the Kings Shilohs and GSD are making fear biters because of them being different types?

There is a male Shiloh Shepherd who is dual registered as a Shiloh Shepherd and an AKC GSD. He is available for stud to either breed and can throw purebred Shiloh puppies or purebred GSD puppies. Magical.

Pepsi, I keep hearing about Shilohs that are biters. However, in 5 years of hanging around the ISSR Shiloh forums, and getting to know the dogs and owners, I have never heard of a Shiloh biting anyone. So, recently I asked "Why are people complaining about Shilohs being biters? What are the non-ISSR breeders doing to produce these dogs that bite?"

The response I got was It happen when working line GSDs, with strong temperments, and which have been selectively bred for a strong, sure full mouthed bite are crossed with softer tempered dogs, like Shilohs. They still like to bite, but no longer have the strong nerve or clear headedness of the working line parents to know when to bite, and when not to. 

Again, I am sure there would be a range of temperments in such a litter, and some would have stronger nerves and better temperment than others. Not all of them will be fear biters.

It just goes to show you how important it is to breed for good temperment when selecting breeding stock.

What do you mean Mysticwind? It sounds like that other post I saw that was talking about those Kings posted above.  The dog was a UKC German Shepherd but had King Shepherd parents.  This is what I don't understand.

Pepsi, Mystical is talking about the article I linked to, which details all sorts of nonsense going on involving pedigree fraud with Shilohs and GSDs. I don't think she bothered mentioning Kings, but it's happening there, too.

So the problem is people breeding shiloh and kings to gsd then registering them as pure breed gsd rite.  All this  is going to do is confuse people who are new to gsds and does anyone realy care what the ukc does i dont?  I have never even considered useing them to regester a pup most people have never heard of them maybe the pitbull crowd i heard thats the only place to register them.  We all know you cant stop idiots from byb or what stock they use to do it with so why worry about it no one on here would ever consider buying from these people and the people that do are geting what they want i guess.

There is a male Shiloh Shepherd who is dual registered as a Shiloh Shepherd and an AKC GSD. He is available for stud to either breed and can throw purebred Shiloh puppies or purebred GSD puppies. Magical.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Noooooooooooo! 

"G**** is registered as both a GSD and a Shiloh Shepherd. " This is a quote directly from the Shiloh breeder's website.

I did have an ISSR Shiloh and I returned her to her breeder when her fear aggression got to be too much for me to handle. Turned out she also had EPI.

If you look at most Shilohs that have been rehomed many will say no small kids, no other pets and that the dog is anxious or shy. Maybe someday I will have another Shiloh, but I'm really happy with my GSD puppy - she has the perfect temperament.

Michelle