18 month girl killed by Dog - Page 2

hamza166
OK but what are you going to do, or feel like,  when these people are going to be  banned from owning Pitt or Rott,... will then decide that they will use for their protection, GSD, Boxer, Airdeil, Labrador.............And then the government in their infinite wisdom is going to ban these breeds. You breed! What ever that breed is.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --
Benjamin Franklin

Prager Hans

Lovin' you, Hans.  Please tell me that you have political aspirations.

What ever happened to DR?

RFS

Very well said Hans!! It drives me crazy when people say ban this or that breed. It isn't the breed!!! It is people that aren't knowledgable of the breed and have NO idea of how to raise/train  a dog. GSDs in the wrong hands can be a dangerous dog.So does that mean that they should be banned cause ignorent people have them? If that is the case then just let PETA have their way and make it so no one can have dogs. It 's about being a responcible dog owner and not getting one cause it is "cute" but to educate ones self about the breed. Guess that is too much to ask for people to have some kind of education. When I was a kid I bought my own dog,a Shiba Inu.I didn't know what he was at first as I haven't seen many.(still don't see that many) I read up about them before I commited to getting the pup I was looking at. After I got him I brought him everywhere and socilized the daylights out of him.If I didn't...he could have ended up  like most of them,aloof and snippy.I traind a few at the dog training facility I worked at. They were skitish and far from how my Shiba was.WHY because I did what needed to be done to make sure he didn't end up like how the typical Shibas are. I guess for the people that want to ban the breeds it is easier then to learn about how to raise and train them. Hmmm maybe kids should be banned then too...or the crappy parents that don't raise them right.

I do not consider American Bulldogs mastiffs. I rescue Neo's. Now thats a mastiff. Most mastiffs that Ive personally worked with or friends work with (excluding English) are really not the best breed choice for the average person. Neos require a knowledgable dog person because they are a challange. In the right home they are awesome. Too bad most of them are NOT in the right home.

A friend of mine the other day said that he saw Tibetan mastiff puppies and he was thinking of getting one. Here is a guy with limited dog know how thinking of getting a dog that is known to be aggressive and not a very good house pet with 4 kids and a wife. EEEKKK thats a bite waiting to happen.

Ive heard of similar stories about American Bulldogs unfortunately. Im not surprised.

It's absolutely horrific what happened to that little child.  Her family must be devastated and the owner of that dog will live with that baby's death the rest of his life.

 Hans wrote:

"3. If British (and others) would not ban all weapons for self defense then people would not have to look for other means to defend themselves. Like dogs. To have properly trained dog and maintain such dog's training and be able to properly handle such  is much more difficult then use of other weapons for self defense. Here is a proof that you can not make society safer by banning "tools" used for defense. What needs to be controlled is an improper behavior.  And there should be time spend on educational training videos and awarness of what makes dog tik rather then spend it  on BBC's imbecilic video like this. Now they are going to ban Pit bulls, Rotts, GSDs, ....... This is so wrong. And does no good, as it is obvious to all sane people."

I was particularly bothered by the 2 young girls in the video, who both related how their dogs made them safe.  The dogs in question were busily raging at each other during the conversation oblivious to any human around them, including the owners, who were yelling "no" without any effect whatsoever.  I felt sympathy for the 2 youngsters who feel under threat when they go out in public.  That's no way to spend your teen years.

Young teenagers with big, aggressive dogs are an accident waiting to happen.  It's appalling to see the number of large, dog aggressive canines in the hands of clueless teens in that video.  I agree with Hans.  When you take away a population's ability to protect itself from attackers, it's not at all surprising that people will grasp at anything they can use as a weapon or as a means of protection. 

 If you saw the video, can you say with a straight face, that the 2 young girls with the dogs are experienced dog trainers?  Do you actually think they are the only clueless dog owners of that age in that area?  

In that video series, a young man has a "French mastiff".  He repeatedly states his dog acts "dodgy" and admits it is unpredictable, particularly since it got into a fight with another dog.  Oh, and he is breeding the dog.

If anyone on this forum wants to say the individuals referenced above are ANYTHING but clueless as to dog behavior, at the time that video was shot have at it.

I second that prager.

See what many people fail to realize if dog, guns, cars etc... kill people because of the ignorance of the person using it.

I for one grew up with firearms. Mainly for the purpose of hunting and competition shooting. I also went into the military at 17 years of age and was further trained to use a wide variety of weapons and took deployments to afgan.

It is complete ignorance to take away firearms simply because of ignorance of a few. Those same ignorant people arent breaking into homes were they know the owner possesses and knows how to use a firearm. Statistically speaking the cities in which firearms are banned have a much higher violent crime rate. When you take the ability to defend yourself away you are fair game to be preyed upon by scum.

This is no different than my right to own a protection trained dog for both competition and personal protection. If I am unable to defend myself adequately you darn right i expect my dog to preform his duty.People forget dogs have been used to complete real work for many years! No different than I expect my firearm to do its duty when called upon. I look at it as the same principle as carrying a condom. I may not need it but i would rather have it should the occasion arise and you never pull it out unless you plan to use it!

Both should be used with extreme caution and the owner must carry such respect for his weapon whatever it may be. More people are killed every year by cars than gusn and dogs because of neglegence but you dont see them banned.

The issue here is simply ignorance/education- neglegence- responsibility- poor parenting for this Gen-Y etc.... When I was growing up if a dog bit you the 1st question that was asked was what did you do to the dog. Now its a vicious dog lets sue and put the dog down. Its because of ignorance of the population not the dog or the breed.

Pits happen to be great family dog if raised correctly. chihuahua's and other toy/designer breeds are the worst. Because people coddle them into developing sever issues and there are more dog bites a year from them than all bully breed put together. So why dont we ban small dogs because of people ignoranc? Just because a bully breed dog has the capability to harm more severe does that mean it should be killed? I have a rescue dog in my home that came with a bite history. He is now my most trusted and best dog. So tell me should he have been put down? he now lives with cats, dog, and fequently plays with children. So who has the right to put down a dog. Some idiot on a board with no true knowledge of dog phsycology to speak of?

Maybe if people spent more time actually working with dogs than posting on some board then they would wake up and realize the breed is not the problem. Its the people whom procure the dog. How many times have insuffient people bought GSD puppies and they were returned or neglected, or retained a bite history because of there ignorance. No different with any other breed on the plannet. Even golden retrievers bite people because of there ignorance. So i guess we should just get rid of all dogs. Thats how much sense some of the idiots posting on this thread make!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!