Shiloh Shepherds? - Page 17

Ditto.

wrestleman I do not think it is just money she is after. If she would be just after the money she could sell Kirby vacuum cleaners. She is most definitely not getting rich on this.  She truly loves her dogs and what she does. I have seen how her eyes light up when she hears good things about her dogs. Just like any other breeder's eyes do.  I lived in Gainesville, NY. I know what people think about her. So what?
It is easy to say vile things about anybody. That is no art. I personally think that  it is a fault.
 This website has such a great potential to educate people about dogs, but many people are here just to use it to insult the others, their dogs, their breed, their efforts, their dreams. 
It baffles me.  

Prager Hans.

If the breeder is implying that all the other shepherds have wolf blood that only they can prove, yet never do.  and those breeders claim their dogs "work" yet only have a sprinkling of a few over generations of litters, then yes they're lying

If that breeder claims they are breeding the "original" dogs and they look nothing like them, then yes, they are lying.  If that breeder is claiming they have excellent hips, while the others are crap even though they have less screenings and even less of a hip score history because none of their progeny are ever submitted for testing and they have a a higher frequecny of abnormal hips anyway than the other breeders, then YES they are lying

and I don't care if people buy them. I don't care that people like them.  I don't care that people breed them.  I really don't care what people do with their dogs or what kind they have.  I believe I made that point clear 10 posts ago.  I care about passing off bullshit about a breed while using the coat tails of another while then talking down that breed to uplift their own bastardization of what the german shepherds are and were. 

I can go to some breeder websites too and find crap.  that's not the issue.  The issue is the GSD is alive and well as a stable, strong, loyal working dog with good hips, fantastic temperments and intelligence.  I have them, I know plenty of others that have them.  The issue is that someone is selling her entire breed on the fallacy that these dogs no longer exist and "her" breed is what they should be, but are now called something different.  That is the issue. 

Just because there is a fellow crap breeder passing off some shell of a dog with ghosts in its head and banana for a back and they call it a GSD doesn't mean they get a pass somehow.  They're the same type of breeder, paying lip service to something that deserves much more.

I can look up an easily verifiable, unbiased and respected authority, rather than your bullshit.

http://www.offa.org/stats.html#breed
the GSD 97930 screenings with about 19% being abnormal


Zdog -- how many GSD's were registered??  APPLY THE MATH!

pack said <<  The german shephers she remembers were NOT crosses between other breeds. That is what! plain and simple >>

OK -- maybe you can explain to me where the FIRST GSD's came from -- I was  a "child" over 60 years ago -- yet you are telling me that ALL GSD's back then looked & acted JUST like your dogs do today??  What are YOU smoking?  & NO -- none of you are "upsetting" me -- I don't agitage that easily -- actually I am impressed that you are so afraid of me! LOL

typical, post a link to nothing but words.  There isn't anything of substance on there.  Can you explain the lack of real data.  You have some nice graphs, but no real data. 

How come one of your top stud dogs has only around 5 screened progeny  thru OFA despite having sired over 20 litters PER YOUR GRAPH????  and no info on his parents, siblings etc.??? why is that?

you can claim 50% of good hips over a period of 5 years all you like but if only 100 dogs are screened out of hundreds of litters out of that time, and most progeny and parent info is not available thru the OFA, what good are your charts?

I don't have to read much to see thru the BS.  Your graphs may mean something to someone easily impressed with BS.  I however am not.

I have no doubt there are just as bad of GSD breeders.  I don't have to do any math, but why does that excuse the lack of real verifiable data on your part, despite all of your claims?  

<< You have some nice graphs, but no real data. >>

Zdog, you can get all the data you want via the OFA & AKC -- I am not going to do it FOR you!

everyone knows that herding dogs from different regions were chosen for their working and physical qualities in refined so they would breed true in future generations.   They were a "type" of dog used to create a breed of dog.   Like that fact alone will somehow vindicate you. 

I still have to know, what does that have to do with a bogus hip program, though nicely worded with lots of graphs that mean very little once you think about them and lots of words with little substance about what is actually important. 

what does it have to do with bringing down a breed, saying those dogs don't exist, but her mixes are what GSD's used to be.  What does it have to do with outlandish claims of intelligence and working ability when very few have ever worked at anything yet GSD's are found by the thousands in every country doing what they've always been bred to do, WORK.